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05 Aug 2023, 5:33 am

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What are you hoping to get out of these conversations?

I suspect he's hoping to get love and admiration out of these conversations.



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05 Aug 2023, 1:27 pm

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I have to wonder . . . If both Cyberdad and Jimmy M are telling the truth, then why have Cyberdad's space aliens NOT warned us about Jimmy M's alleged doom from Betelgeuse?


Oh dear, we are back to this Fnord :roll:
Assuming the thousands of witnesses since WWII are telling the truth then Double retired gave you the answer, The prime directive.

The prime directive was the whole basis of Star Trek. Aliens passively observe primitive life forms (like us) without interfering in our affairs but help where they can to make sure we don't destroy ourselves.
Psst...Double Retired had his tongue firmly in his cheek. I think Shatner was right that an alien civilization would be unlikely to make the tremendous effort of visiting Earth but then not show themselves. Either they would choose to interact or they would consider us such a low life-form that we were not worth interacting with or hiding from.
Though unlikely, a Prime Directive cannot be absolutely ruled out, however. And dragging Capt. Kirk into the conversation was more than I could resist.

I'll go a little further, however. Until a visit is proven to have happened, I will consider them astronomically unlikely. I think a rarity of advanced civilizations in the Universe combined with the literally astronomical distances involved mean we might never get a visit from another civilization. Especially if self-destruction is common with advanced civilizations (so far we only have a sample size of one, but that one sample ain't looking good.)

And I hope the Universe proves me wrong. Even clear proof another "advanced" civilization ever existed elsewhere would be wonderful!


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05 Aug 2023, 2:00 pm

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The prime directive was the whole basis of Star Trek. Aliens passively observe primitive life forms (like us) without interfering in our affairs but help where they can to make sure we don't destroy ourselves.


They better hurry up and actively intervene because we're rapidly approaching being f****d.


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05 Aug 2023, 3:50 pm

Yes. In the "great american sci fi novel" in my head that I am composing...the saucer jockeys are like Jane Goodall, and we are like the chimps of the Gombe Stream game preserve. Except that we are chimps with nukes. The alien park rangers have ...done a great job so far...keeping us from destroying ourselves during the decades of the cold war. But now...things are getting so tense between the superpowers at flash points like Taiwan and Ukraine that it makes you wonder if ...even the aliens can hold us back from global self-annihilation.



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05 Aug 2023, 5:14 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
What are you hoping to get out of these conversations?
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Rotter wrote:
I suspect he's hoping to get love and admiration out of these conversations.


No to both....It's a harmless hobby. But yes I like sharing this topic because its a special interest and I had folks on WP ask me to be their voice because I am brave enough to share my own personal experiences.

Nobody is asking anyone to read this....you can choose to ignore (your choice)



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05 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm

Double Retired wrote:
Until a visit is proven to have happened, I will consider them astronomically unlikely. I think a rarity of advanced civilizations in the Universe combined with the literally astronomical distances involved mean we might never get a visit from another civilization. Especially if self-destruction is common with advanced civilizations (so far we only have a sample size of one, but that one sample ain't looking good.)


Physics has already presented us with the prospect of worm holes so interdimensional pathways of entry are possible for other entities



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05 Aug 2023, 5:20 pm

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Yes. In the "great american sci fi novel" in my head that I am composing...the saucer jockeys are like Jane Goodall, and we are like the chimps of the Gombe Stream game preserve. Except that we are chimps with nukes. The alien park rangers have ...done a great job so far...keeping us from destroying ourselves during the decades of the cold war. But now...things are getting so tense between the superpowers at flash points like Taiwan and Ukraine that it makes you wonder if ...even the aliens can hold us back from global self-annihilation.


The hypothesis is that Oppenheimer's little experiment triggered our alien friends to return and screen our antics...



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06 Aug 2023, 6:10 am

Cyberdad is NOT on my list of reliable and trustworthy sources.


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06 Aug 2023, 9:10 pm

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Cyberdad is NOT on my list of reliable and trustworthy sources.


Well granted each one of us should be satisfied by the veracity of the information provided but should also not be afraid to explore beyond the safe boundaries of the self-imposed bubble we may choose to live inside



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07 Aug 2023, 1:03 pm



One of the Main Reasons,

i Continue to Frequent the 'Wrong
Planet' is the Variety of Unique Special
Interests That Are Life-Long;
God Yes, Laser Focused And Exercised

with Continuing Intensity

Impervious to
Any Nay-Sayers
That May Come and Go;

i Also Enjoy the Fact that the
Wrong Planet Now Welcomes
'Novel' Ways of Expressing Humankind
And Human Not So Kind Ways of Philosophy,
Politics, And Religion too As Basically Part of the

Same Human Beast,

Both Seemingly True
And Seemingly False too;

Let's Take These Two
Aphorisms For Example:

"We Are Made of Star Stuff"

"The Father And i Are One"

Carl Sagan is A Very Respected Scientist;

Bart Ehrman, A Once Evangelical Christian, A Leading Princeton Educated PHD Expert
on the New Testament Through His Intense Special Interest As Professor, Scholar, And Writer too

Provides Plenty of Evidence, We Know Very Little of What The Actual Dude Jesus Said in His Lifetime
For Whatever His Actual Name Was then; Accounts are at Least 40 to 50 Years After His Death and

More Than Second Hand too; Never the Less, Neuroscience Shows Humans Will Believe in Fictional
Stories and Actually Benefit From them, in Emotional and Sensory Healing Ways as Much as Reality;

i Find This Self-Evident As even though i Find Much of the Bible Antiquated, Violent, Rapey, Torturing
Forever, And Ignorant; Never the Less, i Continue to Visit A Fairly Peaceful Loving Peaceful Catholic Church,
Helping to Lead the Choir From the Back Pews in a Communion of Uplifting LoVE iN Peace; If i Have any Minor Pains

Associated With Public Dancing for 18,666 Miles, almost a Decade Now, They Typically Melt away and i have

my Greatest Peak Experiences of Meditating Public Dance in Flow For the Rest of the Day, Often Accomplishing
Peaks of Creative Writing Before i Go to Sleep The Same Night Resting Very Peacefully too; Science Shows Both

the Positive Placebo Effect of Positive Belief Works Based on Shared Positive Symbols Like Sugar Pills and Wafers
Of Bread Called Jesus too; And Similarly, Conversely, Fears of a Fire Breathing Devil Torturing Someone Forever May

Result in a 'Nocebo Effect' of Stress and Fearful Anxiety; Not Healing at All and Potentially Disease Contributing too
As Science Shows This "Voo Doo" Effect is Real too For Those Who Fall Under a Power of Suggestion ThiS Way too;

Never the Less, the

Wisdom Expressed

By the Phrase the

"Father and i Are One"

And "We Are Made of Star Stuff"

Even With Vastly Different Metaphors

Expresses We aRe ALL A Real Integral Part of the Whole
As Some Describe This Actual Experience As the Verb of

Experiencing God;

Truly Understanding
Feelings and Sensing
the Oneness With All;

However, Not Unlike Ants That
May Be Instinctual Experts at Building
Ant Mounds for Giant Homes That None of

The Ants as Only Parts Are Able to 'Reason' How to Do;

They Have No Clue How Humans Build General Dollar Stores
As True Those Stores Spring up Like Ant Mounds All Around Rural Areas too...

My Sister Travels Vast Distances Around Our Locality to Shoot Birds With a Camera,
Sharing them in Nature Publications around the World And With me too to Share As Well too;

She Holds Records in the Local Area For Counting the Most Different Bird Species too; It's True

She is Also Diagnosed With Asperger's Syndrome Like i am by Four Professionals too; Yet my Asperger's

Syndrome Expressed in Special Interests is Much Different than Hers; True, i've Probably Taken as Many

Photos of Ecstatic Smiles of Beautiful Joy Dancing With me; Yes, Literally Numbering in the Thousands too;

Her Interest is Photography;

True mine is too; Yet Not nearly
as detailed and as Expert as Hers;

i Didn't Speak until 4 Years Old;

If Not Losing Effective Use of Sight
and Hearing For 66 Months, Not Likely
i would Have come to Write a 12 MiLLioN
Word EPiC Longest Long Form Poem soon to
be on the Decade Anniversary Date of 8.18.2023...

Here's A Deal, We May Be Less than Ants As Far as Intelligence,

Creativity, LoVE iN Peace, And Technology Versus the Reality of

Other Beings ThiS WaY iN the UNiVeRSE NoW; Leading Scientists Also

Will Not Discount the Potential We aRe LiVinG in a Real Simulation Now

Designed By Vastly 'Superior' Beings in Ways Far Beyond Our iMaGiNaTioN Now;

Obviously, There Would Be Nothing Stopping the Program Designers From Sending Their

'Avatars' Or Even Organic Beings Down to Visit Us Now; On the Other Hand; Yes, Science

Has Very Little Clue to How Both Our Conscious and Subconscious Minds Works to Create

Our Realities Now in Full Process; There are No First Hand Accounts of Jesus Expressed in

Historical Records; Yet There are First Hand Accounts of Witnesses Actually Seeing What is

Modernly Expressed As UAP's, Unexplained Aerial Phenomena; Indeed, There is MUCH More Modern Evidence

For UAP's Than Any Fictional Story of Jesus in Empirical Ways Of Finding Out What if Anything He Actually Said,

Personally In His Life According to an Old And Very Antiquated Book;

Yet Never the Less, Folks Who Scoff at the Potential that UAP's

May Be From Other Realities than What We currently Understand;

Will Also Say They Have Faith in Jesus, Just Because He Exists in

A Story or Perhaps they too Experience Real Healing from the

'Real Sugar Pill' Called Jesus, Per Symbols and Ideologies Humans Bind and Bond

Over in Church in a Wafer of Bread and Perhaps A Pre-Pandemic Shared Glass of Wine Yet

Swapping Spit in a Community Chalice Has Somewhat Gone Out of Modern Style as Yes Change

is the Only
Reality and

Antiquated
Stories Continue to
Change And Gain Newer
Meanings Now True too;

i Believe a Continuing Search to Understand

Both UAP's and Our Human Potentials is Fascinating Indeed;

i Barely Watch the News on TV; So i Welcome All the Related News
'Cyber-Dad' Brings Now; Regardless if i am Personally Convinced by
the Material He Shares; i Am Not Afraid of Different Opinions; No Matter

if They Align With my Beliefs And Or Analyses too; Yet on the Other Hand and
Many More i Rate 100 Percent in Scales of Human Open Mindedness; 100 Percent

in Scales of Human Extraversion; And Close to Zero Percent in Neuroticism Experiencing

Little to No Stresses, Anxieties, or Fears In Life; It Doesn't Make me Butthurt, if Someone Expresses
An Opinion i Don't Agree With; And i am Surely 100 Percent Conscientious When i am Engaged in my

Special Interests too; And True, i am Surely Not Afraid to Either Agree or Disagree When i Feel that is Warranted too;

i See Value that Engineering Minds Bring to the Safety, Hybrid Gas Mileage, Aesthetic, And Acoustic Experience the
12 Speaker Bose System my New 2023 Honda CRV Brings in Excellence of Human Technology Today; Along With
The Engineering that went in to Produce the Technology for my Apple Products and all other Tools i Master Today

As Well to Have A Greater Life than ever Before; Yet i Also Welcome Ideas i've Never Entertained Before; And i Also
Welcome my Own Human Potentials Achieved That Folks Have Suggested Wasn't Possible Before, Like Like Pressing
1540 Pounds 12 Reps Just Warming Up at the Military Gym at Age 63 Versus the Max of 500 Pounds i Could Do
At Age 53 or 21, Before i Started Public Dancing at age 53.

Yet Again, i Scale 100 Percent in Open Mindedness

And Reap Great Benefits From Being That Way;

In Short, Thank you Cyber-Dad for Entertaining

New Avenues to Pursue For Human Analysis,
Curiosity, And Wonder As that Relates to UAP's;

Personally, i Wouldn't Be Surprised if they Are Related
to How Our Human Minds Perceive and Create Our Realities;

It's True, Humans Mass Hallucinate Similar Realities; And Truly Fascinating

Folks on Psychedelic Trips Share The Same Hallucinations Seemingly Telepathically True;

Other than That Who's to Say Not Unlike My Sister, Folks From Other Planets Who Have

Conquered Death Don't Spend Eons Traveling to Other Planets to Count Birds and Take

Photographs

Through Advanced

Technology We Have
No Clue Exists; They Might

Be Sadly Disappointed Studying

Us Considering a So-Called Conservative Political
Part of Tradition Supports the Chaos Generated

By Lies of A Demagogue; However, We Do Have A Species

of Worms That Lose Their Heads And Brains; Re-Grow The

Head and Brains And in Someway UnKnown to Our Current Science

Retain Learned Memories From Old Brains And Heads Lost Before;

Who's to Say

Worms Aren't

More Advanced

Than Human Beings;

Who's to say what Humans
Will Still Be able to Do in Potential
That isn't Realized Now; And Jesus F in Christ

Who The Hell are We to Suggest What Vastly

Superior Beings from Other Planets Might Be Able
to Technologically Do and What They Might Be Interested

in Terms of Great Eon Bird Watching too; Wow! What A Fascinating Reality We may Still Create

And Learn about Finally Earning Our Moniker of Wiser Homo Sapiens Sapiens too; i'll Be

Watching;

i'll Be watching With
SMiLes; 'Eve', Please
Pass the Popcorn Now;

Indeed Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete;

Just Another Metaphor For Being "Made of
Star Stuff" Part Integral and Whole; "The Father
And i are One," And All That Other Old Antiquated Dusty
Book Jazz too..;)

-ET

True i Float on
Terrestrial Land
too; YeT i REalize

That is Only a Metaphor Freely Dancing in
Public on Walmart Smooth Floors Like 'Walking on Water' too For Real in Wu Wei
Effortless Ease, Part of 'Jedism' too; Yes, Mastering FRiEnDS With Gravity Balancing

the All in All Within too... Yet i Acknowledge i Am Hybrid With Sith True too...

Yep, Yin and Yang; All The Jazz Just never ends...
Give me More, i Never Tire of What is New to

Experience

Fictional or Real, "Depth of The Story" Has As Much
REAL Value WiTHiN and More As ReaLiTy True too..:)



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08 Aug 2023, 4:05 am

aghogday wrote:


[align=center]One of the Main Reasons,

i Continue to Frequent the 'Wrong
Planet' is the Variety of Unique Special
Interests That Are Life-Long;
God Yes, Laser Focused And Exercised


The good thing about my special interests is that all are welcome to partake and contribute



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08 Aug 2023, 12:09 pm

^^^



i'm Not So Ignorant, Not to Understand
And 'SEE' That Every Part of Nature i Meet and
Greet Newly Now Has Some Part of Nature to Teach me...

Hehe, While it's True i've Written Close to 3 MiLLioN Words
of EPiC Long Form Poetry in the Last 3 Years on the 'Wrong
Planet' in Just One Thread i Name "Depth of the Story," i Have

Surely Read Many Scale More Words From All i Come to See on the
Wrong Planet Yet of Course another one of my Splinter Skills on the

Autism Spectrum is
Reading 20 Scale
Faster Than 'Average
Human Beings' And Retaining
Text When Properly Focused With

Almost a Photographic Memory as i surely
Can Picture Text Written to me Here in my
Mind All the Way Back to Thanks Giving Day of 2010...

Surely, i've Read Billions of Words And Written Many (About 15 MiLLioN)
More Online Than 3 MiLLioN in Just the last Three Years of EPiC Long Form Poetry

With
SMiLes...

True, it took Folks
Awhile to get adjusted
to the Different of me

Yet i Have the Advantage
From the get Go of Being

Open to The Different of Everyone
Else From DarK To LiGHT for What the Human Condition is...

THere is NoWHere For me to Phone HoMe as i Find HoMe No Matter WHere i Exist Now Within New..:)



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08 Aug 2023, 10:23 pm

aghogday wrote:
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[align=center]i'm Not So Ignorant, Not to Understand
And 'SEE' That Every Part of Nature i Meet and
Greet Newly Now Has Some Part of Nature to Teach me...


This is a super important point aghogday

There is > 1 way we acquire knowledge and we should not restrict ourselves and be open to listen to everyone



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08 Aug 2023, 11:37 pm



Thanks, THere ReAlly Are No Limits
What We May LEarn and Improve on in
Life, If We Shut No Parts out of the Whole

With SMiLes

Keep Sharing
Your Special
Interests, i'll
Be Enjoying Them too...

Just A 'Fisherman' i'll BRinG
Back All Varieties For Folks to Try too hehe..:)



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09 Aug 2023, 10:14 pm

Lived experience obtained via qualitative research of people who experience UAPs or alien abduction offers a unique challenge to the dogmatic refusal to calibrate the scientific method.

Phenomenology is a valid method of inquiry
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6468135/



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07 Sep 2023, 9:16 pm

Avi Loeb talking about funding for research into search for ETs

Amount of money spent on SETI - In 1971, NASA funded a SETI study that involved Drake, Barney Oliver of Hewlett-Packard laboratories, and others. The resulting report proposed the construction of an Earth-based radio telescope array with 1,500 dishes known as "Project Cyclops". The price tag for the Cyclops array was US$10 billion to look for alien life by detecting.....radio waves :roll:
The project has yeilded no viable data

Cern Particle accelerator search for dimensions beyond ours - One possibility is that we don’t feel the full effect of gravity because part of it spreads to extra dimensions. Though it may sound like science fiction (their words), if extra dimensions exist, they could explain why the universe is expanding faster than expected, and why gravity is weaker than the other forces of nature.
https://home.cern/science/physics/extra ... lack-holes
Cost = $4.75 billion The project has yeilded no viable data

My question is....why are these studies funded and UFO research is not?