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12 Jul 2023, 1:47 am

Well, 76 years after Roswell

We can confirm sentient beings exist elsewhere in the universe

Harvard professor of astronomy Avi Loeb has confirmed that 50 tiny, metal spheres pulled from the Pacific Ocean are proof of alien technology.

The small magnetic spheres lay deep in the ocean for nearly a decade after being shed by a fireball that blazed across the sky over Papua New Guinea in 2014. Now, the minute pellets have been dragged up by a scientific expedition, sparking fervent debate about what they could be.

Harvard University astrophysicist Avi Loeb is leading the charge with theories that the metal balls are evidence of intelligent alien life.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/scie ... d462d86354

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12 Jul 2023, 3:25 am

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We can confirm sentient beings exist elsewhere in the universe

Harvard professor of astronomy Avi Loeb has confirmed that 50 tiny, metal spheres pulled from the Pacific Ocean are proof of alien technology.


You're leaning a lot harder into the claims than your source. They seem pretty clear that it's what he believes and claims.

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Professor Loeb, who is famous for his persistent efforts to hunt down extraterrestrial life, is on a mission to find the original 2014 meteorite. A US government sensor measured its speed at a staggering 177,000km/h as it flew across the sky a decade ago, before splashing into the ocean about 85km from shore.

Professor Loeb believes the object, which he dubbed Interstellar Meteor 1 (IM1), is a relic from another star system and may even harbour alien “technosignatures” — traces of technology crafted by non-humans — according to an interview he gave with the Daily Beast.


But they also mention:

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Many scientists, however, are far less excited about the spherules’ origins. In fact, some insist they might not be associated with the 2014 fireball at all.

“It’s been known for a century that if you take a magnetic rake and run it over the ocean floor, you will pull up extraterrestrial spherules,” Peter Brown, a meteor physicist at the University of Western Ontario in Canada, told Live Science.

Professor Brown said such debris had accumulated worldwide on the sea floor over millions of years from meteors dropping tiny bits of molten metal as they pass.

Factoring in shifting ocean currents and sedimentary movements, “it essentially would be impossible to say that this particular spherule comes from a particular event,” he said.

Professor Brown claimed the meteorite might not even be from outside Earth’s solar system.

“Particularly at higher speeds, the U.S. government sensors tend to over-estimate speeds,” he co-wrote in a recent paper. If the meteorite wasn’t travelling so fast when it entered our atmosphere, it’s more likely that it didn’t come from so far away, he explained.

As to whether the meteorite could be evidence of extraterrestrial technology, Professor Brown told the publication: “That would be an extremely cool result. But I don’t see any evidence that would necessarily back you into such an extreme hypothesis.”


So far Loeb's claims don't appear to be particularly well-founded. It sounds like he's putting the conclusion ahead of the evidence and a hypothesis.


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12 Jul 2023, 3:41 am

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So far Loeb's claims don't appear to be particularly well-founded.  It sounds like he's putting the conclusion ahead of the evidence and a hypothesis.
Indeed.  He has mistakenly elevated what is best called an 'hypothesis' (and idea that may be testable) beyond the level of 'theory' (an hypothesis that has been tested and confirmed by independent sources) and directly into 'fact' (something which cannot be denied or disproven).

The scientist has several microscopic iron-laden spherules.

Similar spherules have been found downwind of the old Bessemer furnaces in rust-belt Pennsylvania.  They are a by-product of steel production.  Other such spherules have been found in the vicinity of Meteor Crater, Arizona.

So, unless those 'alien' spherules are found to have "Made in Atora", or some-such extra-terrestrial city, they are most likely naturally-occurring items of no significant value.

Occam's Razor Prevails!


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12 Jul 2023, 3:52 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
So far Loeb's claims don't appear to be particularly well-founded.  It sounds like he's putting the conclusion ahead of the evidence and a hypothesis.
Indeed.  He has mistakenly elevated what is best called an 'hypothesis' (and idea that may be testable) beyond the level of 'theory' (an hypothesis that has been tested and confirmed by independent sources) and directly into 'fact' (something which cannot be denied or disproven).

The scientist has several microscopic iron-laden spherules.

Similar spherules have been found downwind of the old Bessemer furnaces in rust-belt Pennsylvania.  They are a by-product of steel production.  Other such spherules have been found in the vicinity of Meteor Crater, Arizona.

So, unless those 'alien' spherules are found to have "Made in Atora", or some-such extra-terrestrial city, they are most likely naturally-occurring items of no significant value.

Occam's Razor Prevails!


In this case there's good reason to believe they might not be from earth, but they can't be conclusively linked to any specific rock. Meteors drop molten metal as they pass through the atmosphere, they don't need alien tech to do so, it's just what happens from heating a big chunk of ore.


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13 Jul 2023, 2:33 am

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. . . Meteors drop molten metal as they pass through the atmosphere, they don't need alien tech to do so, it's just what happens from heating a big chunk of ore.
Occam's Razor, again!

"Naturally-occurring microscopic meteorites" is the simplest and most reasonable explanation.


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14 Jul 2023, 3:11 am

According to Prof Loeb, the object was
a. Tracked from outside the solar system
b. measured travelling at a staggering 177,000km/h as it flew across the sky a decade ago, before splashing into the ocean about 85km from shore of PNG. This speed > any meteor

Assuming the outside of the object was metal and melted on entry into earth's atmosphere, the metal would form spheres which are similar to when a metal objects burns on re-entry into the earth's atmosphere

c. the shape of the spheres are highly unusual and appear artificial

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Quite clearly the poles of the spheres are indented which looks manipulated. I understand there is a chorus of Loeb's colleagues who are attempting to lampoon his claims, the spheres are being analysed so hopefully will hear something soon.



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14 Jul 2023, 3:33 am

if homo sapiens can go out in search of other life forms, why can't ET?



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14 Jul 2023, 3:46 am

The same shape is obtained when molten metal is dropped from the tops of multi-story "Shot Towers".  Same spherical shape.  Same indentation.  Those spherules were molten after experiencing a fiery entry into Earth's atmosphere.  Then, as they cooled, the formed the same shape with the same characteristics of a BB pellet.  Furthermore, having been molten, no signs of 'Alien' crafting could possibly exist on them.

Mr. Leob's claims cannot be substantiated, since everything he has described has simple, Earth-based explanations.


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14 Jul 2023, 5:13 am

GASP! They look just like...beads of quickly cooled molten metal! Just like...you would expect to find in the ocean when a natural metallic meteor burns it way through the Earth's atmosphere and hits the ocean. :lol:

GASP! WHY...it was clocked at ...the very same speed that you would expect a meteor striking the earth to be moving! A 110 thousand MPH is only slightly more than 60 thousand mph -the speed the earth itself is moving as it revolves around the sun. A natural space object hitting the earth is going to be moving at least as fast as the earth itself is, and probably somewhat faster. Just like a stationary fire plug is going to "hit" your car at the same velocity your car was moving when the fireplug "refused to yield the right of way to you". And if you hit another motorist the velocity of the crash will be more.



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14 Jul 2023, 11:20 pm

Fnord wrote:
Mr. Leob's claims cannot be substantiated, since everything he has described has simple, Earth-based explanations.


I should correct you, it's Professor Loeb and he holds the position of Director of the Institute for Theory and Computation within the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

Professor Loeb sent about 50 of the spherules, weighing just 35 milligrams, back to the United States by post.

"Even though it took a few days to deliver them to my home, it probably took millions or billions of years for them to arrive to Earth in the first place," he said.

Three laboratories are now working on analysing the objects.

"We hope to figure out whether the elements that this meteor was made of are, indeed, different from solar system materials," Professor Loeb said.

"The second question is, can we tell whether the object was technological in origin."

Professor Loeb said it might be the first sign of civilisation beyond our solar system.



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14 Jul 2023, 11:21 pm

Fnord wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
. . . Meteors drop molten metal as they pass through the atmosphere, they don't need alien tech to do so, it's just what happens from heating a big chunk of ore.
Occam's Razor, again!

"Naturally-occurring microscopic meteorites" is the simplest and most reasonable explanation.


The application of occam's razor is to come to a conclusion once all the data has been analysed. not to draw conclusions based on pre-supposed assumption.



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14 Jul 2023, 11:24 pm

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GASP! WHY...it was clocked at ...the very same speed that you would expect a meteor striking the earth to be moving! A 110 thousand MPH is only slightly more than 60 thousand mph -the speed the earth itself is moving as it revolves around the sun. .


Loeb is an expert in the field - according to him - "This meteor was moving at a speed of 60 kilometres per second outside the solar system — faster than 95 per cent of all stars".

You will have to excuse me if I take expert testimony of an authority in his field over an armchair opinion



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14 Jul 2023, 11:59 pm

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GASP! WHY...it was clocked at ...the very same speed that you would expect a meteor striking the earth to be moving! A 110 thousand MPH is only slightly more than 60 thousand mph -the speed the earth itself is moving as it revolves around the sun. .


Loeb is an expert in the field - according to him - "This meteor was moving at a speed of 60 kilometres per second outside the solar system — faster than 95 per cent of all stars".

You will have to excuse me if I take expert testimony of an authority in his field over an armchair opinion


There's a reason all of the other experts in the field are highly skeptical of his claims, those claims are incredibly flimsy.

'According to him' lots of nonsense, the bulk of which he never substantiates before pivoting to his pet hypothesis. He needs to back-up his claims before insisting his conclusion is correct.


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15 Jul 2023, 8:45 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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. . . Meteors drop molten metal as they pass through the atmosphere, they don't need alien tech to do so, it's just what happens from heating a big chunk of ore.
Occam's Razor, again!

"Naturally-occurring microscopic meteorites" is the simplest and most reasonable explanation.
The application of occam's razor is to come to a conclusion once all the data has been analysed. not to draw conclusions based on pre-supposed assumption.
Then explain to us why Professor Loeb is doing exactly that.


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15 Jul 2023, 10:25 pm

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There's a reason all of the other experts in the field are highly skeptical of his claims, those claims are incredibly flimsy.

'According to him' lots of nonsense, the bulk of which he never substantiates before pivoting to his pet hypothesis. He needs to back-up his claims before insisting his conclusion is correct.


The other experts who have published a rebuttal (letters to the editor) to Loeb's claim pivoted over the lack of accuracy of sensors used by US Space command to track the speed and origin of the meteor.

On the day the rebuttal was published against Loeb's claims the US Space Command confirmed with almost near certainty, 99.999%, that the material came from another solar system
https://abc7news.com/alien-technology-a ... /13482644/

These sensors are calibrated regularly and need to be highly accurate as they are the first line of defense against orbiting nuclear launch vehicles.



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15 Jul 2023, 10:27 pm

So the stuff MAY have originated in another star system . . . so what?  If true, that still does NOT prove that "Space-Aliens" had anything to do with it.


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