Idaho to ban interstate abortion travel

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/idaho-bans-interstate-travel-for-abortions-people-are-outraged-calling-it-a-dystopian-scenario/ss-AA1dd1Ko?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f95cf4a2cbaf47a195aa6553b49f1bb4&ei=13#image=9

In previous posts, I have suggested that some states would need a Cultural Revolution to get on par with the blue states. Idaho is one of those states.

The stateline with Idaho is only mere miles from where I live. And yes, I do feel a definite cultural change to the immediate east.
We had all been promised women in red states would always be allowed to travel to get abortions. I think we all suspected it would end up with them being penalized, regardless of what they had been promised.

So, I can only imagine being a pregnant woman, considering going out of state and wondering if someone, like a nosey neighbor, might be watching me. Would I even tell people about my vacation plans when they ask?

Essentially, these laws are making it seem as if traveling while pregnant is a crime itself, even if it technically isn't. It's akin to those super-vague censorship laws that make teachers afraid to say anything at all.

Welcome to 21st century America.

"United" States my arse.

But how would they determine that is the reason for travel? are they going to require all women to take a pregnancy test before leaving the state, and try to detain them in the state if they are pregnant?

And what if a couple were a woman is in early pregnancy are trying to go to a relatives wedding or something in another state. I just do not see how they could legally enforce such an archaic policy.

I read about crap like this ban and my brain completely shuts down. It's so incomprehensible it's going to take me a few days to process it. I don't understand how men in Idaho aren't rioting about this dehumanising injustice being inflicted on half the state's population, not to mention their partners, sisters, and friends.

In the news I saw four University of Idaho students butchered to death. No one seems to give a rat's arse about them, or the plight of eight parents whose children were slaughtered. Why can people put the rights of an embryo ahead of human beings, or say that parents with vaginas have fewer rights than parents without?

Shame on you, Idaho.

Only Wyoming is redder than Idaho. The most recent Democratic governor, Cecil Andrus, left office in 1995. However, Idaho didn't go totally hard right until Brad Little took office. He makes Greg Abbott and Ron Desantis look like bleeding heart liberals.

Okay, so I read it because I couldn't figure out how you get the laws of one state to apply to someone who isn't in that state.

Unless I've gravely misunderstood, what is being made criminal here is anyone who takes a minor out of Idaho for an abortion without the consent of their parents.

From what I can see, this law is designed to stop guys who have gotten underage girls pregnant taking them out of state to get abortions so their own crime isn't detected.

I fully support a woman's right to choose, but I can see the argument for making sure parents are involved in decisions surrounding a minor, especially when it's a medical issue. Yes, I can see that might result in a minor being forced to have a child she doesn't want. I can't resolve that with the feelings I'd have about my daughter being taken away to have a medical procedure without my knowlege/consent. These are not clear cut problems.

And I don't mean to say this might not be a first step down a very dark road, but it also annoys me when headlines are written in such a way to make people think things are worse than they are. Things are bad enough without baiting people's sense of outrage.

It's not about the actual enforcement as it is the fear of being "found out" that matters--and that is not an accident; it's part of the plan.



I'm not fond of outrage culture either, but in the case of abortion and women's rights, if you're not extremely worried, you are NOT paying attention. In case you haven't noticed, it's not legal for many women to get an abortion anymore. Don't try to tell us it's not as bad as it seems. Just don't.

At this point, North Korea would be better than Idaho.

I'm fully supportive of a woman's right to choose and am appalled by the overturn of Roe vs. Wade. It's tragic. I'm not suggesting for a second that people shouldn't be outraged about that.

The headline was "Idaho to Ban Interstate Abortion Travel". You can see from the responses above how this works. The headline says something that is misleading. People don't read beyond the headline and get angry about something that is not happening. The impression being created is that things are worse than they are.

Idaho is NOT banning interstate abortion travel. It is banning the trafficking of minors out of state for abortions without their parent's permission. That's a very different thing. And it deserves to be understood and debated properly. Knee-jerk outrage, fuelled by provocative headlines prevents that happening. That's all I'm saying.

Personally, if I had an underage daughter who had gotten pregnant, I would want to know about it before someone took her out of state to have an abortion. If the person taking her was the guy who got her pregnant I think I'd want that to be seen as a criminal act. It seems to me that this law could be seen as a check on some of the harms that banning abortions in Idaho might be causing. Argue that if you want. In fact, please argue that.

Idaho is a womens' slave state, just like Tex-Ass.

Except Idaho is worse with it.

On the other hand, Abbott let 200+ people freeze to death.

Do minors have the right to have abortions without parental consent in blue states?
Just curious. I have no idea. Here, I believe they are.

I personally oppose abortion very much, but one thing I'll ask is how does Idaho propose to enforce this? One reason why I believe in the regulations and stuff for the issue being left to the states or communities/people is in part because if there was a national ban, people would just go to other countries to have abortion. Granted that the same will happen on the interstate level.

I disagree OP on cultural revolutions in red states, all state cultures should be left alone. I believe those who are more left should remain in their blue areas and not invade the red ones.

I would imagine parental consent is not required in most of the blue states.

It shouldn't be required anywhere. Oftentimes, minors who seek abortions come from strict religious families, and are afraid of severe reprisals from their parents, because the parents will know that she has had premarital sex.

Right. ^

That's what I'd assume too, because there's an epidemic of girls so frightened to tell their parents that they sometimes take their own lives, conceal pregnancy with no prenatal care, discard living (or deceased) newborns, or even give birth unattended.