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16 Aug 2023, 10:15 pm

Lock them all up.


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16 Aug 2023, 10:27 pm

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Lock them all up.


Amen to that!


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16 Aug 2023, 11:41 pm

It will likely happen.

Hopefully the FBI can stay one step ahead of the nut jobs and apprehend or pick them off.


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18 Aug 2023, 5:35 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Question: Has Trump been charged with anything that would actually, constitutionally disqualify him from running for President?

This is from the other thread

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2 right wing federalist society law professors absolutely torch trump:

https://fb.watch/mnsNkdjZ2e/?mibextid=uEQos9

Cliffs: trump’s an insurrectionist and should be prohibited from holding office. Their paper may end up being used against him in court.

The lawyer youtuber says even if Trump is not convicted or not convicted of insurrection or sedition individual citizens can bring a law suit and successfully cite these scholars to disqualify Trump.

If they won’t indict a sitting President despite nothing in the constitution explicitly prohibiting that they are going to let individual citizens undo the actions of voters who reelected him knowing full well who he is and what he did?

This can be avoided if the voters reject him again. If.

Could lawsuits be brought before the election, to keep Trump off the ballot in the first place?

Of course his followers could still write him in, but keeping him off the ballot would make it much harder for him to get elected.

If such lawsuits are possible, would they need to be brought at the state level or at a federal level? (If at the state level, keeping him off the ballot in enough "swing states" would probably be sufficient to keep him from getting elected.)


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18 Aug 2023, 9:27 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Question: Has Trump been charged with anything that would actually, constitutionally disqualify him from running for President?

This is from the other thread

goldfish21 wrote:
2 right wing federalist society law professors absolutely torch trump:

https://fb.watch/mnsNkdjZ2e/?mibextid=uEQos9

Cliffs: trump’s an insurrectionist and should be prohibited from holding office. Their paper may end up being used against him in court.

The lawyer youtuber says even if Trump is not convicted or not convicted of insurrection or sedition individual citizens can bring a law suit and successfully cite these scholars to disqualify Trump.

If they won’t indict a sitting President despite nothing in the constitution explicitly prohibiting that they are going to let individual citizens undo the actions of voters who reelected him knowing full well who he is and what he did?

This can be avoided if the voters reject him again. If.

Could lawsuits be brought before the election, to keep Trump off the ballot in the first place?

Of course his followers could still write him in, but keeping him off the ballot would make it much harder for him to get elected.

If such lawsuits are possible, would they need to be brought at the state level or at a federal level? (If at the state level, keeping him off the ballot in enough "swing states" would probably be sufficient to keep him from getting elected.)


This is behind a paywall somebody has.


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18 Aug 2023, 12:29 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Question: Has Trump been charged with anything that would actually, constitutionally disqualify him from running for President?

This is from the other thread

goldfish21 wrote:
2 right wing federalist society law professors absolutely torch trump:

https://fb.watch/mnsNkdjZ2e/?mibextid=uEQos9

Cliffs: trump’s an insurrectionist and should be prohibited from holding office. Their paper may end up being used against him in court.

The lawyer youtuber says even if Trump is not convicted or not convicted of insurrection or sedition individual citizens can bring a law suit and successfully cite these scholars to disqualify Trump.

If they won’t indict a sitting President despite nothing in the constitution explicitly prohibiting that they are going to let individual citizens undo the actions of voters who reelected him knowing full well who he is and what he did?

This can be avoided if the voters reject him again. If.

Could lawsuits be brought before the election, to keep Trump off the ballot in the first place?

Of course his followers could still write him in, but keeping him off the ballot would make it much harder for him to get elected.

If such lawsuits are possible, would they need to be brought at the state level or at a federal level? (If at the state level, keeping him off the ballot in enough "swing states" would probably be sufficient to keep him from getting elected.)


This is behind a paywall somebody has.

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18 Aug 2023, 1:24 pm

Referring to the original post, it is music to my ears. God bless America, well done!

Now we need to follow what you've done with our criminal politicians in Britain!


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18 Aug 2023, 7:51 pm

Law enforcement expects Trump to surrender at Atlanta jail at the end of next week

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Law enforcement officials are anticipating that former President Donald Trump will surrender at a Fulton County, Georgia, jail no earlier than Thursday, three senior law enforcement officials who are familiar with the plan said.

These officials, who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the plan, said they expect the surrender to happen late in the week. Plans are still being finalized and the sources stressed that nothing is official yet.

An attorney for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis gave Trump and the 18 other co-defendants until next Friday to surrender.

A spokesperson for the Fulton County Sheriff’s Office said Tuesday that all 19 defendants named in the indictment would be booked at the Rice Street jail.

Defendants "can turn themselves in at any time," the sheriff's office said in a statement.


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19 Aug 2023, 4:53 am

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Just wondering, why do they call it 'surrendering'? That makes me think of a war.


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19 Aug 2023, 8:07 am

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Just wondering, why do they call it 'surrendering'? That makes me think of a war.

In both cases if you surrender you were forced to do it, you are doing it because others imposed their will on you.


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19 Aug 2023, 8:37 am

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In both cases if you surrender you were forced to do it, you are doing it because others imposed their will on you.


So Trump is fighting to the last eh, never admitting that he did anything wrong. Thank goodness for the American justice system.


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22 Aug 2023, 4:49 am

Trump says he will surrender at an Atlanta jail Thursday in Georgia election interference case

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Former President Donald Trump said Monday night that he would turn himself in Thursday in Fulton County, Georgia, after he was indicted on sprawling charges stemming from his efforts to hold on to office in the wake of the 2020 election.

“Can you believe it? I’ll be going to Atlanta, Georgia, on Thursday to be ARRESTED by a Radical Left District Attorney, Fani Willis,” Trump wrote on his social media platform, Truth Social.

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis, who launched the investigation into Trump and his allies, has given the defendants until noon Friday to surrender voluntarily.

In a news release Monday, the Fulton County Sheriff’s Office said that when he does turn himself in, “there will be a hard lockdown of the area surrounding the Rice Street Jail.”

Trump earlier Monday agreed to a $200,000 bond. Under the terms of the "consent bond order" filed in court Monday afternoon, he agreed to the bond amount on charges that include racketeering, criminal conspiracy, criminal solicitation, filing false documents and making false statements.

Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee signed off on the order, which was signed by Willis and Trump's attorneys. It says Trump "shall perform no act to intimidate any person known to him or her to be a codefendant or witness in this case or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice."

It also says the "Defendant shall make no direct or indirect threat of any nature against the community or to any property in the community; The above shall include, but are not limited to, posts on social media or reposts of posts made by another individual on social media."

The document was filed after members of Trump’s legal team — Drew Findling, Marissa Goldberg and Jennifer Little — were spotted entering the Fulton County Courthouse around 2:10 p.m., walking in the direction of the DA’s office. They declined to comment to reporters on their way in.

Other defendants agreed to bond packages with prosecutors Monday, as well. As of late Monday afternoon, Trump's was the only one Willis had signed off on — her deputy signed the others. His was also the only one with terms that included not making threats to the community or on social media.

John Eastman, the lawyer charged with helping to orchestrate Trump's fake elector scheme, agreed to a $100,000 bond on charges including racketeering, criminal conspiracy and filing false document.

McAfee signed off on the agreement Monday morning, the filing shows.

Under the terms of his order, Eastman "shall report to pre-trial supervision every 30 days" and "shall perform no act to intimidate any person known to him or her to be a codefendant or witness in this case or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice."

The order also holds that Eastman "shall not communicate in any way, directly or indirectly, about the facts of this case with any person known to him to be a codefendant" or witness "in this case except through his or her counsel" — conditions Trump also agreed to.

Eastman — who is referred to but not charged as a co-conspirator in special counsel Jack Smith's federal criminal case against Trump for allegedly trying to subvert the 2020 election results — features prominently and repeatedly in the DA's indictment.

Another architect of the electors scheme named as a defendant, lawyer Kenneth Chesebro, struck a similar deal, agreeing to a $100,000 bond.

Ray Smith, another Trump lawyer who was allegedly involved in the electors scheme, agreed to a $50,000 bond order, court filings show.

McAfee also signed off on a bond agreement involving another defendant, Scott Hall, who is charged with racketeering and six criminal conspiracy counts relating to a scheme to access voting machines and data in rural Coffee County.

His bond was set at $10,000, the court filing shows.


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23 Aug 2023, 4:49 pm

More Trump co-defendants surrender in Fulton County case ahead of Friday deadline

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Several more defendants charged in Georgia for alleged efforts to reverse the outcome of the state's 2020 election to keep former President Donald Trump in power have turned themselves in to authorities in Fulton County ahead of a Friday deadline to surrender voluntarily.

At least nine of the 19 people facing charges have now appeared at the Fulton County jail to be booked. All of those who surrendered were released on bond. None of the 19 have yet entered pleas, since the arraignment process is separate from the booking process in Georgia. Trump, who has denied all wrongdoing, said Monday night that he will turn himself in on Thursday and has agreed to a $200,000 bond.

Who has surrendered in Fulton County?
Here's who has turned themselves in so far, the number of charges they face and their bond amount:

Scott Hall, a Georgia bail bondsman, faces seven counts. He agreed to a $10,000 bond.
John Eastman, a conservative lawyer, is charged with nine counts. His bond was set at $100,000.

Cathy Latham, a Republican official, faces a total of 11 counts and her bond was set for $75,000.

David Shafer, the former chairman of the Georgia GOP, is charged with eight counts. He agreed to a $75,000 bond.

Kenneth Chesebro, a conservative lawyer, is charged with seven counts and his bond was set for $100,000.

Ray Smith III, a lawyer for Trump's reelection campaign, faces 12 charges. He agreed to a $50,000 bond.

Sidney Powell, a lawyer who was involved in planning Trump's efforts to contest the election, faces seven charges. Her bond was set for $100,000.

Rudy Giuliani, former personal attorney to Trump, faces 13 charges. His bond has been set at $150,000.

Jenna Ellis, a lawyer who was affiliated with the Trump campaign, is charged with two counts and she agreed to a $100,000 bond.

Giuliani spoke with reporters Wednesday morning as he was leaving for Georgia. "I'll get photographed, isn't that nice? A mugshot, (of) the man who probably put the worst criminals of the 20th century in jail," he said.

Eastman said in a statement Tuesday that he and his legal team plan to contest the charges and said he is confident he will be "fully vindicated."

He told reporters shortly after being released from the Fulton County jail that he still believes the 2020 election was stolen.

Other defendants want their cases moved to federal court
Two other defendants, former Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark and Shafer, are seeking to have their prosecutions moved from Fulton County Superior Court to federal district court in Atlanta. It was unclear what effect Shafer's surrender will have on that effort.

In a filing with the U.S. district court on Monday, lawyers for Clark wrote that the allegations contained in the indictment relate to his work at the Justice Department and with the former president. Given his status at the time as a "federal officer," Clark is entitled to have any case against him related to his tenure in the executive branch be resolved in a federal court, they said.

In a separate filing to the U.S. district court, Shafer said the indictment charges him with conduct that stems from his role as a Republican nominee as a presidential elector acting under the authority of the Constitution and federal law.

The Supremacy Clause plainly bars the State's attempt here to criminalize the actions of persons acting pursuant to federal authority to achieve the purposes of the national government," Shafer's lawyers argued. "Neither the State of Georgia nor any of its localities has the authority to prosecute Mr. Shafer for these actions, and this Court should exercise its clear authority to correct this injustice and halt this unlawful and unconstitutional attempted prosecution now."

Their surrenders came as Mark Meadows, Trump's former White House chief of staff, is also seeking to have his prosecution moved to federal court because the conduct alleged in the indictment involved his work as a federal employee. Meadows' attorneys also asked the district court in a filing Tuesday to prevent Willis from arresting Meadows if he doesn't meet the Friday deadline to surrender.


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America's mayor!

Not too bad actually...compared to Nick Nolte's mugshot! :lol: