The War in Ukraine - Thoughts and Ideas

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17 Sep 2023, 4:21 pm

The War in Ukraine has been going on for over a year. Anyone interested in this topic would probably have a lot to say about how Russia F'ed up its invasion. What do you guys think, please share any ideas on how the war should have been prosecuted by both sides. Please limit the answer to "war" related as opposed to political.

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17 Sep 2023, 4:22 pm

Who would support Russia, unless they were a Russian in the grip of Russian propaganda?

The Russians are invading an independent state, are the aggressors and deserve to be booted out of Ukraine.

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17 Sep 2023, 4:32 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

Who would support Russia, unless they were a Russian in the grip of Russian propaganda?

The Russians are invading an independent state, are the aggressors and deserve to be booted out of Ukraine.

Let's not forget that 20 years ago, the US did the exact same thing in Iraq. Could that be why there are so many apologists for the Russian side in this war in today's US?

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17 Sep 2023, 4:36 pm

I don't think the US ever intended to permanently occupy Iraq, or to assimilate it into their territory.

But even so, I personally also thought the Iraq invasion was unjust.

At least the west invaded Iraq under the phoney pretext of finding "weapons of mass destruction."

Russia have brazenly announced, already, their imperialist ambitions, unapologetically.

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17 Sep 2023, 4:44 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

Valid point that.

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17 Sep 2023, 5:18 pm

MaxE wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Valid point that.

Thanks, MaxE.

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18 Sep 2023, 11:55 am

blitzkrieg wrote:

MaxE wrote:

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Valid point that.

Thanks, MaxE.

Although I regret to add that, if one should happen to be a civilian caught up in the war, or a young woman with kids recently widowed because her husband died resisting the invasion, etc., the pretext won't much matter.

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19 Sep 2023, 12:23 am

Why would I want to support a country whose president is basically the new Hitler and makes me afraid to sleep at night, and then hating that I woke up the next day?

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20 Sep 2023, 11:13 am

I heard a few news stories & saw vid footage of Russian soldiers sharing boots & guns. In America(& most every other country) soldiers are given their own boots & guns. But in Russia soldiers have to chose either boots or guns :jester: Kinda hard to imagine thar Russia is doing even close to as much damage as they've been.

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20 Sep 2023, 2:34 pm

MaxE wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Who would support Russia, unless they were a Russian in the grip of Russian propaganda?

The Russians are invading an independent state, are the aggressors and deserve to be booted out of Ukraine.

Let's not forget that 20 years ago, the US did the exact same thing in Iraq. Could that be why there are so many apologists for the Russian side in this war in today's US?

There are people who will try to create false equivalencies between the two conflicts, or otherwise attempt to spin things so that Russian imperialism is actually America's fault.

They're wrong.
They're liars.

Russian aggression is the fault of the Russian state and it's leadership.

Furthermore, I consider that Carthage Russia must be destroyed.

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20 Sep 2023, 4:59 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

MaxE wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Who would support Russia, unless they were a Russian in the grip of Russian propaganda?

The Russians are invading an independent state, are the aggressors and deserve to be booted out of Ukraine.

Let's not forget that 20 years ago, the US did the exact same thing in Iraq. Could that be why there are so many apologists for the Russian side in this war in today's US?

I think there is valid reason to suspect that America was supporting the Russian state. Our last president was colluding with Russia to win election & secetely invited Russian dimplomats to the white house. Plus some of his supporters were not speaking out against the Russian war till after they quit being the party in charge & they suddently started blaming Biden & co.

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21 Sep 2023, 2:33 am

blitzkrieg wrote:

Who would support Russia, unless they were a Russian in the grip of Russian propaganda?

The Russians are invading an independent state, are the aggressors and deserve to be booted out of Ukraine.

1. Foreigners who've fallen for russian propaganda. I know some Canadians that seem to have fallen for various BS stories spun by the kremlin. And then there are the Americans who are cheering for russia because their favoured politicians have decided russia is cool beans.. because they're swinging from trump's nuts and trump idolizes putin/owes the russian mob his high life seeing as they've been floating his bills for years.

2. Some Europeans, believe it or not. I spoke with a Serbian-Canadian man who backs russia on this war. Basically, he supports them going to war to reclaim their territory by force.. as has been the way of wars and expansion for generations. I think he's bonkers in his view, but, people like him with opinions like his exist.

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21 Sep 2023, 4:14 pm

I guess there will be a war with Canada and India soon.

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21 Sep 2023, 4:34 pm

goldfish21 wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Who would support Russia, unless they were a Russian in the grip of Russian propaganda?

The Russians are invading an independent state, are the aggressors and deserve to be booted out of Ukraine.

The Kremlin and their propaganda machine is rather effective. They used to have a channel on digital television services here in the UK, called 'Russia Today' or RT as it was/is known.

Literally every conceivable, regrettable action that Russia was responsible for, was turned upside down to make it as though it was the US's fault or the US's pesky NATO friends in Europe.

Russians probably have some of the best propaganda in the world, in terms of effectiveness and in terms of being believable.

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21 Sep 2023, 5:04 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:

I guess there will be a war with Canada and India soon.

Not.
Gonna.
Happen.

How would India and Canada actually go to war? Neither country is capable of invading the other, so all we're gonna do is rattle sabres until other interests force the two countries to make some sort of backdoor deal to reconcile.

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21 Sep 2023, 5:06 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

It's not just RT, they also partner with different independent "journalists" to spread talking points. A portion of tankie types and a portion of alt-right types get paid to spread Russian propaganda points.

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