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DoniiMann
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13 Oct 2023, 4:36 pm

I'm neither scientist, nor Christian, but I got to wondering if both the scientist's 13.8 billion year old universe and the Christian's 6-10 thousand year old universe could both be correct at the same time.

The Big Bang tv series theme song lyrics state that the whole universe was created in less time than it takes to sing this song. The process had to have been fast... very fast. Way faster than the speed of light.

Being faster than the speed of light is popularly considered to be requisite for time travel or distortion.

So I theorise that the universe could have been launched thousands of years ago and landed billions of years ago. Created 8000 bc. Almost 14 billion years old.

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13 Oct 2023, 6:27 pm

If matter moves at a speed approaching that of light time slows down. But if matter is at rest but being carried along by expanding space then there is no time dilation. Space doesnt get pulled over by officer Einstein to get a speeding ticket regardless of its speed.

So no.

But...my theory is that there is no "dark energy".

The reason that the expansion of the universe is speeding up is because the space is expanding while its cargo of matter stays the same meaning gravity is less of a break. The engine has the same horsepower...but the break pads are wearing out. Thats putting in Newtonian terms.

To put it in Einsteinian terms...there aint no gravity. There is only warped space. Matter shapes space, and space tells matter how to move. But space has gradually flatten out since the Big Bang. So ever since the Big Bang space has gradually gotten less warped, more flat, so the "bowling balls on the trampoline" have simply gotten freer to move faster.



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13 Oct 2023, 6:38 pm

DoniiMann wrote:
I'm neither scientist, nor Christian, but I got to wondering if both the scientist's 13.8 billion year old universe and the Christian's 6-10 thousand year old universe could both be correct at the same time.

The Big Bang tv series theme song lyrics state that the whole universe was created in less time than it takes to sing this song. The process had to have been fast... very fast. Way faster than the speed of light.

Being faster than the speed of light is popularly considered to be requisite for time travel or distortion.

So I theorise that the universe could have been launched thousands of years ago and landed billions of years ago. Created 8000 bc. Almost 14 billion years old.

Thoughts?


There's no need to reconcile the two, YEC is a myth.


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13 Oct 2023, 8:47 pm

On the other hand, as former prime minister of Israel Aba Eban once said, "though the four thousand BC date in the Bible is not a good date for the beginning of the Earth or of the human race, it probably IS a good date for the beginning of civilization in the Middle East".

The region transitioned from the Neolith to the Bronze during the millenium between around 4000 BC to 3000 BC. And around 3000 BC the first cities, nation states, and written records appeared in Egypt and in Sumer. So the writers of the Bible may have been on to SOME thing in their mythologically enhanced memories.



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14 Oct 2023, 4:20 pm

Those are some great ideas. Thanks. :heart:


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14 Oct 2023, 11:52 pm

DoniiMann wrote:
I'm neither scientist, nor Christian, but I got to wondering if both the scientist's 13.8 billion year old universe and the Christian's 6-10 thousand year old universe could both be correct at the same time.

By "Christian" here, you apparently mean "young Earth creationist" (YEC)?

Not all Christians are YECs. There are plenty of Christians who basically accept the findings of science, but believe that God had a hand in guiding the formation of the universe.


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16 Oct 2023, 4:50 am

I fancy myself a Christian, and I don't believe in the young earth nonsense.


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17 Oct 2023, 3:22 pm

Yes. My grandparents on my dad's side were staunch Kansas Methodists. But they had no objection to Charles Darwin, and took us kids to see the dinosaur skeletons at the Smithsonian.

This extreme Biblical literalism is a new pathology in Christianity.