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Dox47
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06 Nov 2023, 7:27 pm

https://www.mediaite.com/news/nashville ... nt-school/

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Nashville’s mayor has confirmed that a “manifesto” leaked online was written by the Covenant School shooter and may give some insight into the gunman’s motive for killing six people last spring.

Conservative podcast host Steven Crowder announced the leak on YouTube Monday. Crowder said in the video, “I will be reading the manifesto here on this show. I wish that I wouldn’t have to.”

He posted screenshots of the manifesto to social media.

“Nashville School Covenant Shooter Audrey Hale’s “DEATH DAY” Manifesto targeted “Cr*ckers” with “white privlages.” [sic]

“wanna kill all you little cr*ckers”

“I hope I have a high death count”

“I’m ready…I hope my victims aren’t.”

“Ready to die.”

https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1721545965402726734

CBS News in Austin, Texas, reported that the manifesto included “an hour-by-hour calendar of the tragic day, which Hale called ‘Death Day,’ including everything from ‘getting dressed’ and ‘eat breakfast’ to ‘prepare for attack’ and ‘time 2 die.'”

Hale allegedly wrote, “I’m a little nervous, but excited too. Been excited for the past 2 weeks. Can’t believe I’m doing this, but I’m ready… I hope my victims aren’t.”

Politicians and conservatives used the leak to condemn a “politicized” justice system and “Leftist’s propaganda.”


Honestly, I don't know why they tried so hard to suppress this, no surprises as far as I'm concerned, it just makes the double standard in coverage super obvious cause we all know that if this had been going in the other ideological direction it would have lead the coverage.

Reddit is still clamping down on it super hard site wide, but it's out there now, so I'm not sure what they think they're going to accomplish.


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07 Nov 2023, 1:30 pm

The shooter was some far left wing political ideology guy ? Or was he assumed to not be on the political right wing because he had racial motivations for his attack that were contrary to the typical white supremacy of many on the far right ?

Do mass shooter manifestos typically get published? Or are they always kept to evidence lockers ? I could see not wanting to trigger copycat losers from forming their own twisted manifesto and then murdering a bunch of people. Every bit of prevention potentially helps.


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07 Nov 2023, 10:01 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
The shooter was some far left wing political ideology guy ?


Pretty much, lots of anti white stuff.


goldfish21 wrote:
Do mass shooter manifestos typically get published?


Only when they support the proper narrative. If you shoot a bunch of black people (or other approved designated martyr group) and leave behind a manifesto or trail of online posts about how much you hate those people, it's going to be front page news, but if the motive isn't convenient, then it gets sat on until someone leaks it, as we see here.

As a side note, this kind of thing is part of why conspiratorial thinking is so prevalent on the right, it's really hard to counter the Alex Jones types when the media and authorities actually do Alex Jones type sh*t.


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07 Nov 2023, 10:15 pm

Dox47 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
The shooter was some far left wing political ideology guy ?


Pretty much, lots of anti white stuff.


:?

He was politically far left OR he was racist ? :?

Not sure exactly how anti-white = far left wing politics. Explain.


Dox47 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Do mass shooter manifestos typically get published?


Only when they support the proper narrative. If you shoot a bunch of black people (or other approved designated martyr group) and leave behind a manifesto or trail of online posts about how much you hate those people, it's going to be front page news, but if the motive isn't convenient, then it gets sat on until someone leaks it, as we see here.

As a side note, this kind of thing is part of why conspiratorial thinking is so prevalent on the right, it's really hard to counter the Alex Jones types when the media and authorities actually do Alex Jones type sh*t.

Except for the documented fact that the vast majority of politically motivated violence in the USA comes from the far right fringe.

Damned near every bomber, mass shooter etc. Exceedingly rare that they’re politically left identifying.


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07 Nov 2023, 10:25 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
:?

He was politically far left OR he was racist ? :?

Not sure exactly how anti-white = far left wing politics. Explain.


Surely you can google it up yourself if you're really that curious.

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Except for the documented fact that the vast majority of politically motivated violence in the USA comes from the far right fringe.

Damned near every bomber, mass shooter etc. Exceedingly rare that they’re politically left identifying.


I don't think that's true, especially if the time scope goes back any distance as the left has committed a lot of political violence in this country (OKC skews the numbers to the right for deaths), but it's also beside the point, which is that the left wing violence is covered different, you might even say covered up when possible.


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08 Nov 2023, 9:56 pm

Dox47 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
The shooter was some far left wing political ideology guy ?


Pretty much, lots of anti white stuff.

"Anti-white" does not equal "left-wing." I wouldn't consider Louis Farrakhan to be left wing, for example.

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goldfish21 wrote:
Do mass shooter manifestos typically get published?


Only when they support the proper narrative. If you shoot a bunch of black people (or other approved designated martyr group) and leave behind a manifesto or trail of online posts about how much you hate those people, it's going to be front page news, but if the motive isn't convenient, then it gets sat on until someone leaks it, as we see here.

I haven't been following these cases in enough detail to comment on your specific allegation here, but I will note the following:

Public online posts are different from unpublished manifestos. The former are inherently kind of hard to suppress. But unpublished manifestos don't need to get published, and I see no good reason to publish them, regardless of the beliefs/motives of the perpetrator, lest they inspire copycats.


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09 Nov 2023, 1:20 am

Let them publish this lunatic's rambling and ranting. If the right tries to make an issue of "leftist violence," there's a far bigger mountain of right wing lunacy to counter them.


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09 Nov 2023, 9:54 am

It’s hard to keep track of shooters ,but didn’t he attend this school once?
Seems more like he had a personal grudge.


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09 Nov 2023, 7:56 pm

Just going to reiterate, the story here is that this particular manifesto was suppressed, without even a general summary being given by the Nashville authorities (who have just put a number of officers on leave while they investigate the leak), while other manifestos are published or summarized immediately. Like I said in my OP, this is the sort of thing that feeds conspiracy theories and makes them harder to refute, as it sure looks like a thumb is being put on the scale due to the identity of the gunman (gunperson?) and the political valence of the manifesto, the most immediate comparison being the Buffalo shooting (racist motive instantly broadcast), or the more recent racist attack in Florida.


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09 Nov 2023, 8:01 pm

What's the conspiracy theory? That they're conspiring to try to reduce or eliminate the probability of some other whack job using this as the violent manifesto porn catalyst they need to go get their murderous rocks off?


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09 Nov 2023, 10:56 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
What's the conspiracy theory?


That the media only reports stories that support certain narratives. It's not even really a conspiracy theory at this point, but rather a matter of how far it goes.


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