Evidence of Israel's genocidal intentions toward Gaza?

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I'm not familiar with all of Israel's political parties, so I can't answer that question. But I do know of at least one fairly large Israeli organization (albeit not a political party), Peace Now, which has condemned it on their website:


Unfortunately, Peace Now has not been very successful, at all, in its primary aim, which is to stop Israeli settlement activity in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

But how long do you think we should have to wait until "this all dies down"?

At the rate the slaughter is now going, almost all the people of Gaza will have been killed off, and the entirety of Gaza will have been reduced to rubble, before "this all dies down" on the Israeli side -- unless the U.S. government pulls the plug on supplying Israel with bombs.

Yes this was the trap HAMAS set. They knew the IDF would go all guns blazing to find the hostages. I think based on published reports, HAMAS has been firmly neutralized (at least in the north of Gaza). I agree the Israeli government should listen to international voices. They need to stop hurting innocent civilians and putting their own young people drafted into the IDF at risk. Damage has been done on both sides. Time for a prisoner/hostage swap.

I specifically ask about political parties because they're the only entities that might actually come to control the Israeli state. I'm aware that other organizations might be pro-peace.

Enough of them to say the bad apples form a consensus.

You mean like Iowa republicans?

Okay, so because Netanyahu was "responsible" for Hamas being in power, its therefore fine that Hamas remains in power and repeats the same kind of atrocities as it did on 7 October over and over again in the future? As far as I'm concerned, Netanyahu's policies propping up Hamas and Israel's past policies toward it is irrelevant in this context.

The definition of genocide requires the planned destruction of a people group. If Israel really wanted to commit genocide, they could have decided not to ask people to evacuate and simply carpet bombed entire Gaza strip with 100 times more civilian casualties that what there is, and done it much faster. Israel may be guilty of other war crimes, such as disproportionate bombing and collective punishment but it may not necessarily be genocide. There has been a UN resolution passed on Friday that does call for more delivery of aid into Gaza and I hope it's implementation does help in avoiding a crisis, including a possible famine. I don't want to see more Gazan's die and suffer any more than you do, actually.

As for rhetoric of some individuals in the Israeli government, obviously it doesn't help much. As an atheist, I have personally criticised that particular story of the Amalek and King Saul in the Bible myself as possibly justifying genocide. However, the recitation of that particular Bible verse "remember The Amalek and what they did to you" has itself not historically been interpreted as a call to genocide. Jewish people have often used Amalek to refer to enemies of the Jews, for example, they also called nazis Amalek at one point. But if you want to talk about scriptural verses, there's actually an Islamic Hadith verse referenced in Hamas' original charter that calls for the genocide of all Jews:



https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922

Oh, and by the way, Hamas actually does appear to have genocidal intent, even if they aren't able to carry it out. They've called for the killing of all Jews, not just Israelis or "zionists" on multiple occasions.

No, but surely the IDF will be much better prepared next time Hamas tries to do anything remotely like it? The October 7 attack could have been largely prevented, or at least contained a lot sooner, had various intelligence reports been taken more seriously.


My point is that Israel should try to find better ways to protect its own citizens' lives than by slaughtering Gazan civilians and razing the homes of many more Gazans, as punishment for Hamas taking advantage of Israel's own mistakes.

Other countries have managed to eliminate terrorists without doing anything remotely near the level of killing and destruction that Israel has been doing in Gaza.


Perhaps the evacuation order (for northern Gaza) might provide legal cover for a charge of genocide. However:

(1) Israel has done some bombing of even the supposedly "safe" places.

(2) Israel has used the evacuation orders as an excuse to give itself carte blanche to destroy or damage more than 50% of housing units in Gaza, as well as hospitals, etc.

(3) The supposedly "safe" area has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller, causing vast overcrowding.

See this BBC report, December 21.

Supposedly the excuse for all this destruction is that Israel is afraid to send its soldiers into Hamas's tunnels, out of fear of possible booby traps. But surely there are better ways to handle this issue? Like maybe sending some remote-controlled vehicles into the tunnels, ahead of the soldiers?


Face_of_Boo has posted some videos showing extremist rabbis using Amalek rhetoric to call, unambiguously, for the killing of all Palestinians including children.

Hopefully only a small minority of Israelis would agree with these extremists. But Netanyahu did say, yesterday, “We are expanding the fight in the coming days and this will be a long battle.” (See this Guardian news story, December 25, 2023.

"Expanding the fight" to do what? Reduce the entirety of Gaza to rubble?


The Nazis (or at least the SS types who were actively involved in the Holocaust, though not the German people as a whole) arguably deserved it.


That's a Hadith, not the Quran. Islamic scholars have debated endlessly over which Hadiths should be considered reliable at all, in the first place, and how much weight should be given to any given Hadith.


Hamas's rhetoric has toned down quite a bit over the years. Their 1988 charter did indeed contain quite a bit of genocidal rhetoric, but their 2017 revised charter does not. Of course, one can debate the extent to which that's a real change in aims vs. just a cosmetic change.

But, in any case, Hamas clearly does not have the power to eradicate Israel, and would not have had the ability even to do what they did on 10/7 had the IDF been more on the ball.

I am no expert on the definition of genocide but Raz Segal, the program director of genocide studies at Stockton University, concretely says it is a “textbook case of genocide.” Segal believes that Israeli forces are completing three genocidal acts, including, “killing, causing serious bodily harm, and measures calculated to bring about the destruction of the group.” He points to the mass levels of destruction and total siege of basic necessities—like water, food, fuel, and medical supplies—as evidence.

https://www.voanews.com/a/un-appoints-gaza-humanitarian-relief-coordinator-following-aid-vote/7413360.html

I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks. If Israel does anything to obstruct this effort, then we'll know for sure that there's genocide.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Why would they ever hide their intentions? As far as they (the zionists, and evangelicals etc.) are concerned, they have nothing to hide; they're the moral majority and God is on their side. That's their angle. That's always their angle.

Here, in another thread:

The video is Netanyahu LETS SLIP Israel's Real Plan by Owen Jones, on YouTube.

However, not every American voter agrees. Therefore, they aim to sugarcoat it enough so that genocidal Zionists don't get voted out of office simply for being genocidal Zionists. Without the sugar coating, even more Americans would be demanding that our government stop supplying arms to Israel ASAP.

"A couple of weeks" is a long time for someone who already doesn't have enough food or water, or who has been forced to live in ultra-crowded, unsanitary conditions conducive to contagious diseases.

And Israel has already been blocking humanitarian aid to Gaza. See Israel: Starvation Used as Weapon of War in Gaza, Human Rights Watch, December 18, 2023:


Admittedly, Israel isn't blocking 100% of all aid. They let just enough through so that Israel-friendly Western journalists can claim they aren't blocking it.

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