OK bill would charge abortion recipients with murder

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08 Feb 2024, 9:24 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oklahoma-senator-files-bill-to-charge-women-getting-an-abortion/ar-BB1hW0ea?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f5b18ef4a0714377f29faf0925de4743&ei=22

Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.

This is also why the West Coast and Northeast are so expensive, because of people trying to escape the red states and these laws, and another reason as to why religion should be banned in the U.S.


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08 Feb 2024, 9:35 am

This reminds me of the Gadson flag (don't tread on me). It should be updated so it reads "so I can tread on you"



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08 Feb 2024, 9:44 am

A woman is defenseless because the law would likely be enforced very strictly. She would spend more time in prison that the person who raped her.

Unlike Texas, Oklahoma is a solid red state. A Democrat could maybe get 30% of the vote, and only if he/she is a Joe Manchin-type. An AOC-type couldn't get elected dog catcher in OK.


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08 Feb 2024, 10:38 am

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This reminds me of the Gadson flag (don't tread on me). It should be updated so it reads "so I can tread on you"


Gov. Stitt and every GOP in the OK legislature needs to be treaded on---repeatedly.


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08 Feb 2024, 10:55 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oklahoma-senator-files-bill-to-charge-women-getting-an-abortion/ar-BB1hW0ea?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f5b18ef4a0714377f29faf0925de4743&ei=22

Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.

This is also why the West Coast and Northeast are so expensive, because of people trying to escape the red states and these laws, and another reason as to why religion should be banned in the U.S.

When abortion was legal everywhere those areas were still more expensive. People want to move to these regions there are more higher paying and prestigious jobs there, and they are more “cultured” there. The Dobbs decision might widen the gap.


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09 Feb 2024, 2:57 am

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Tim_Tex wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oklahoma-senator-files-bill-to-charge-women-getting-an-abortion/ar-BB1hW0ea?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=f5b18ef4a0714377f29faf0925de4743&ei=22

Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.

This is also why the West Coast and Northeast are so expensive, because of people trying to escape the red states and these laws, and another reason as to why religion should be banned in the U.S.

When abortion was legal everywhere those areas were still more expensive. People want to move to these regions there are more higher paying and prestigious jobs there, and they are more “cultured” there. The Dobbs decision might widen the gap.


There's no culture in Houston. Not because of local problems, but Abbott and Co. put the kibosh on anything even remotely amusing.


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09 Feb 2024, 3:10 am

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Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.


Seems like a good way to get a bunch of people needlessly killed. They won't be handled with kid gloves like MAGA types are.


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09 Feb 2024, 6:40 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.


Seems like a good way to get a bunch of people needlessly killed. They won't be handled with kid gloves like MAGA types are.


The alternative is to keep the law on the books and watch countless women face life in prison, or possibly the death penalty, for seeking medical care designed to save their lives.


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09 Feb 2024, 6:42 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.


Seems like a good way to get a bunch of people needlessly killed. They won't be handled with kid gloves like MAGA types are.


The alternative is to keep the law on the books and watch countless women face life in prison, or possibly the death penalty, for seeking medical care designed to save their lives.


Not really, because storming the capitol won't change the law.

Changing the law is what needs to be done. Random acts of violence aren't going to contribute to changing the law, at best they'll make people who support changing the law look like goons.

Think of it this way, did violence from anti-choicers lead to the current legal reality, or was it their efforts that didn't involve breaking the law that led to the current legal reality?


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09 Feb 2024, 7:04 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.


Seems like a good way to get a bunch of people needlessly killed. They won't be handled with kid gloves like MAGA types are.


The alternative is to keep the law on the books and watch countless women face life in prison, or possibly the death penalty, for seeking medical care designed to save their lives.


Not really, because storming the capitol won't change the law.

Changing the law is what needs to be done. Random acts of violence aren't going to contribute to changing the law, at best they'll make people who support changing the law look like goons.

Think of it this way, did violence from anti-choicers lead to the current legal reality, or was it their efforts that didn't involve breaking the law that led to the current legal reality?


GOPers win by well over 60% of the vote. A Democrat stands no chance.


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09 Feb 2024, 8:12 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Time for Antifa and the Satanic Temple to storm the Oklahoma State Capitol.


Seems like a good way to get a bunch of people needlessly killed. They won't be handled with kid gloves like MAGA types are.


The alternative is to keep the law on the books and watch countless women face life in prison, or possibly the death penalty, for seeking medical care designed to save their lives.


Not really, because storming the capitol won't change the law.

Changing the law is what needs to be done. Random acts of violence aren't going to contribute to changing the law, at best they'll make people who support changing the law look like goons.

Think of it this way, did violence from anti-choicers lead to the current legal reality, or was it their efforts that didn't involve breaking the law that led to the current legal reality?


GOPers win by well over 60% of the vote. A Democrat stands no chance.


That doesn't make violence a viable method of securing your goal though.

When the insurrection you propose is violently ended, do you think the abortion laws will be altered?


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09 Feb 2024, 9:21 am

What else can be done?


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09 Feb 2024, 9:32 am

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What else can be done?


Well, considering that overthrowing the state government can't be done it's hard to justify bringing it up at all.

The US needs to pass a federal law ensuring access to abortion across all 50 states, but further people in states like Oklahoma need to work to have bans overturned.

It might not be easy to work within the existing legal framework, but it'll work a lot better than attempting to overthrow a state government. Even if you succeeded at overthrowing the state government the rebel government would be too busy defending itself from the feds to make any legal changes, but also those legal changes would be reversed after the feds crush the rebellion.

wE nEeD tO oVeRtHrOw t3h gUbMiNt is the sort of inane clownfuckery that right-wing nutjobs trot out regularly, but it sounds just as uninformed coming from lefties.


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09 Feb 2024, 10:02 pm

I am one of those fleeing for the Northeast. Oklahoma is, unfortunately, my home state.



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09 Feb 2024, 10:03 pm

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I am one of those fleeing for the Northeast. Oklahoma is, unfortunately, my home state.


Mine is Texas, and the cost of living in most of the blue states is keeping me from relocating.

The Oklahoma law is especially horrible because it punishes the person getting the abortion, rather than the person performing it.

And factor in the GOP's "law and order" stance and the fact that law enforcement in red states is practically domestic terrorism and it's the nightmare every woman living in those states is about to realize.


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09 Feb 2024, 10:23 pm

I want to move to Oklahoma, now and I'm being serious.


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