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12 Feb 2024, 1:59 pm

Houston media: Megachurch shooter appears to be trans female - Los Angeles Blade

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Multiple Houston press outlets are reporting Monday morning that the woman who entered Joel and Victoria Osteen’s mega Lakewood Church, in southwest Houston on Sunday armed with a long rifle, previously identified as a male.

Multiple independent sources told KHOU 11’s reporter, Jeremy Rogalski, that Genesse Ivonne Moreno, 36, who had begun firing almost upon entering was killed by two off-duty officer law enforcement officers, who were working at Lakewood Church. One is a Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission agent who is 38 years old with four years of service. The other off-duty officer is an Houston Police Department officer who is 28 years old with two years of service.

The shooter walked into the Houston mega-church with a 5-year-old child while wearing a trench coat and carrying a backpack that she reportedly announced had explosives inside. Law enforcement searched her and her vehicle, no explosives were found.

KHOU and the Houston Chronicle are reporting Moreno, who previously identified as Jeffery Escalante, had an extensive criminal history dating back to 2005 according to a Texas Department of Public Safety records search. Prior arrests include failure to stop and give information, assault of a public servant, assault causing bodily injury, forgery, possession of marijuana, theft, evading arrest unlawful carrying weapon.

In a Sunday press conference Houston Police Chief Troy Finner told reporters in addition to Moreno who was shot to death by the off-duty officers returning her fire, the 5-year-old boy accompanying her and a 57-year-old man were both hit by gunfire. Finner that the child was taken to a hospital in critical condition, the man was wounded in his leg.

Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo is calling for investigators to look into whether or not the shooting was a hate-crime targeting Hispanic people, the Houston Chronicle reported. The shooter arrived at the church just minutes before a Spanish-language sermon was scheduled to begin.

“I don’t want to talk about her motivations because I don’t know. Right?” HPD Chief Troy Finner said at the Sunday press conference.

A number of outlets are reporting she had pro Palestinian message written on her gun.


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Joel Scott Osteen (born March 5, 1963) is an American pastor, televangelist, businessman and author based in Houston, Texas. Known for his weekly televised services and several best-selling books, Osteen is one of the more prominent figures associated with prosperity theology and the Word of Faith movement.

Political and social views
Osteen has generally avoided discussing or preaching about controversial issues such as gay marriage, abortion, and politics. Having gone on record saying homosexuality is "not God's best", he has stated he believes the church has a tendency to become overly focused on single issues (such as homosexuality) to the point of neglecting others.When asked if he thought God approves of homosexuality, Osteen said homosexuality is a sin according to his interpretation of Scripture, but said gay people are welcome in his church without judgment.

In an interview on Fox News in 2008 during the Republican Party presidential primary race, when discussing whether he thought that Mormons were Christians, Osteen indicated that he believed that they were. He further revealed that he had not studied the religion. In an interview in 2011, Osteen stated his support for Israel.

Prosperity gospel
Osteen's sermons and writings are sometimes criticized for promoting prosperity theology, or the prosperity gospel, a belief that the reward of material gain is the will of God for all pious Christians.Critics of prosperity gospel consider its teachings anathema to the gospel of Mark

“Jesus, looking at the man, loved him and said, ‘You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.’ When the man heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.”

— Mark 10:21–22

On October 14, 2007, 60 Minutes ran a 12-minute segment on Osteen, titled "Joel Osteen Answers His Critics", during which Reformed theologian Michael Horton told CBS News correspondent Byron Pitts that Osteen's message is heresy. Horton stated that the problem with Osteen's message is that it makes religion about us instead of about God.

Osteen is estimated to have a net worth of over $50 million, with his church taking in $43 million a year in collections.According to the Houston Chronicle, Osteen’s church’s income was $89 million in the year ending March 2017. More than 90 percent of that was raised from church followers and barely one percent of its budget went to charitable causes. Osteen denied taking any pandemic CARES Act assistance, but U.S. Small Business Administration data revealed his church actually received $4.4 million from the fund.


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12 Feb 2024, 2:04 pm

Even Walmart plastic bags must go to jail.
have been dead? It's all right.


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12 Feb 2024, 3:17 pm


https://youtu.be/jJye0oCS5Ko

The child "probably wont survive". But apparently they still dont know the child's relationship to the shooter.



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12 Feb 2024, 5:07 pm

Joel Osteen is a well known Evangelist minister. Associated with "prosperity gospel", and not without contraversy.

But...he is not as creepy as Kenneth Copeland. I give him that.



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12 Feb 2024, 10:15 pm

Apparently they now know that the child was his/her son.



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13 Feb 2024, 8:21 pm

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Joel Osteen is a well known Evangelist minister. Associated with "prosperity gospel", and not without contraversy.

But...he is not as creepy as Kenneth Copeland. I give him that.



They're both a couple prosperity gospel charlatans.


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13 Feb 2024, 8:25 pm

Lunatics with access to guns in Texas?

Another day in America.



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14 Feb 2024, 5:34 am

Well...its enshrined in the Constitution. That "every lunatic in the land is entitled to a military style rapid fire gun that we , the framers of this Constitution cant even imagine will ever exist because it wont exist for another two centuries after our time ". Right there...in those exact words. Lol!

And I am sure that this person was a member of..."a well regulated militia"...since they were obviously an upstanding citizen who would fit right into any "well regulated" group.



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14 Feb 2024, 9:24 pm

What we know about the woman who fired inside a Houston megachurch

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A woman who fired a rifle inside a Houston megachurch Sunday and was killed by law enforcement had a history of mental illness, a string of arrests spanning nearly two decades and family who had previously sought help from authorities to prevent her from accessing weapons, according to interviews and court documents.

Authorities say 36-year-old Genesse Ivonne Moreno walked into the famed Lakewood Church – just 6 miles from downtown Houston – Sunday afternoon and started shooting, wounding one man before turning her AR-15 toward officers, according to a search warrant. She was shot and killed by law enforcement acting in self-defense, the warrant says.

Her 7-year-old son, whom she brought with her, was shot in the head and taken to a hospital, Houston police said. It is unclear who wounded the child, and CNN has asked police for more information. He was in critical condition Monday, and Houston police did not provide an update on his condition when reached by CNN on Wednesday.

Authorities say they’re investigating what may have motivated Moreno’s rampage, and whether mental health issues or a recent argument with her ex-husband’s family played a role.

Court documents, social media posts and details revealed by law enforcement paint a picture of a woman who struggled with mental illness for years, had undergone a bitter divorce and custody battle for her son and had a slew of run-ins with the law.

Investigators found two firearms on her at the time of the shooting, including the AR-15, which police said she legally purchased in December. Her former mother-in-law alleged the family had repeatedly attempted to get help from both law enforcement and child protective services to help avert a tragedy such as the one that unfolded this week.

Here’s what we know about Moreno.

She was hospitalized for schizophrenia, affidavit alleges
Moreno had a documented mental health history and had been placed under an emergency detention order by Houston police officers in 2016, Houston Police Department Homicide Division Cmdr. Christopher Hassig said during a Monday news conference.

According to state law, a person with mental illness can be detained when they are “at substantial risk of serious harm to themselves or to others.”

In 2022, Moreno’s former mother-in-law, Walli Carranza, unsuccessfully petitioned a court in Texas’ Montgomery County to be declared conservator of Moreno’s son, Sam. Sam is the boy who was shot in the head Sunday, Carranza has said.

In an affidavit filed in court related to that petition, Carranza alleged a psychiatrist had placed a “red flag warning” on Moreno in 2016 after she had been hospitalized with schizophrenia.

Carranza alleged in the same document she had found a gun in Moreno’s things in 2020 and took it to police in Colorado, where Moreno was staying with Carranza at the time, to have it confiscated because of the psychiatrist’s warning. Colorado has laws that aim to prevent people who may pose a risk to themselves or others from having guns. CNN has attempted to reach Carranza for an interview.

Carranza, who wrote on Facebook on Monday that Moreno had in the past taken medication for schizophrenia, said in the same court document that Moreno’s mother told Carranza she was afraid of her daughter’s “violent temper.”

“She was a beautiful and fine young lady before, and then she stopped taking medication and we asked for interventions for her many, many times. She was hospitalized many times, she was violent many times,” Carranza told CNN affiliate KHOU this week about Moreno.

“There were red flags for six years, and we raised them and we flew them high and nothing was done.”

“We asked for help from (Child Protective Services). … We asked for help from police and received it many times but she was still allowed to own guns,” Carranza said.

It’s unclear whether and how Moreno responded to the allegations in the court documents and why Carranza’s conservatorship effort was not successful. But in LinkedIn posts, a user with the name Genesse Moreno appeared to respond to the conservatorship request, repeatedly linking to Carranza’s LinkedIn page and accusing her of slander and defamation.

Moreno also applied in 2022 for a protective order against her ex-husband, alleging he threatened her, and against her former mother-in-law, alleging harassment. The cases were dismissed when Moreno didn’t appear in court.

Moreno should never have been allowed to own firearms, Carranza wrote in her Facebook post.

Texas has no red flag law – also known as an extreme risk protection order law – that would allow authorities to take weapons from a person thought to be in crisis.

“The fault lies in a child protective services of Montgomery County and Harris County that refused to remove custody from a woman with known mental illness that was not being treated and with the state of Texas for not having strong red flag laws that would have prevented her from owning or possessing a gun,” Carranza wrote online.

Report: Neighbors say they had raised flags about shooter
On social media, Moreno, who most recently lived about 40 miles north of Houston in Conroe, Texas, described herself as the founder of a real estate and financial services firm. CNN was not able to find anything matching Moreno’s name in Texas real estate license records.

March 2020 social media post shows a screenshot of a form letter from Lakewood Church thanking Moreno for her donation. Houston’s police chief was asked Monday whether the shooter had a connection to the church and he said it was under investigation.

Records from the Texas Department of Public Safety show Moreno, who was born in El Salvador, had a string of arrests for minor offenses over the past two decades, including possession of marijuana, an assault, illegal possession of a weapon and a forgery charge.

In the court transcript of a 2021 divorce proceeding in Harris County, Moreno’s ex-husband said the two met in 2015 and he was seeking a divorce because his wife had turned violent and had a “total disregard” for her son, who was 3 at the time.

In the transcript, he referred to Moreno as “Jeffrey.” Moreno had in the past used both male and female aliases, including the name “Jeffrey,” but had always identified as a woman, Hassig, the police commander, said in Monday’s news conference.

In court documents relating to Walli Carranza’s petition to be declared Sam’s conservator, Carranza alleged Moreno’s son was born more than three months prematurely with drugs in his system and accused Moreno of refusing to give him the proper care that he required, including not feeding him properly or teaching him how to use the bathroom, and not taking him to critical speech and physical therapy appointments.

On her social media, Moreno talked about her son’s love of going to the park, and wrote about taking him to art museums as a baby and how, as a young child, he had developed an appreciation for art.

Several of Moreno’s neighbors also said in a Monday news conference she had harassed and threatened them, and they had set up a meeting about the problem with local authorities and officials about five months before the shooting, NBC News reported.

One woman said she made a complaint after Moreno allegedly threatened her with a handgun in July 2022, according to NBC News. CNN has reached out to Conroe police for further information.

Authorities investigate dispute with her ex-husband’s family
Police found antisemitic writings connected to the shooter and are investigating whether an argument with her ex-husband’s family, some of whom are Jewish, may have led to the shooting, Hassig said Monday.

“I mentioned antisemitic writing. We do believe that there was a familial dispute that has taken place between her ex-husband and her ex-husband’s family and some of those individuals are Jewish,” Hassig said. “We believe that that might possibly be where all of this stems from.”

Hassig also said the AR-15 Moreno used had a “Palestine” sticker on it.

In her Facebook post on Monday, Carranza, who is a rabbi, said the shooting “has nothing to do with Judaism or Islam. Nothing!”


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14 Feb 2024, 9:33 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Only two things are missing at this moment:

1) The shooter's overall motivation.

2) The Triggering cause -- what pushed her "over the edge", so to speak?


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16 Feb 2024, 4:31 pm

She wasn't Trans.

She used multiple aliases. Plenty of men names Alice, Tracey, etc. And just about every FB Messenger post I get from an apparently beautiful woman turns out to be an African man.

Crims use whatever aliases they want. Then to her case you add her mental illness.

But no, not trans. As the cops say, she was always female.


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16 Feb 2024, 8:00 pm

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She wasn't Trans.

She used multiple aliases. Plenty of men names Alice, Tracey, etc. And just about every FB Messenger post I get from an apparently beautiful woman turns out to be an African man.

Crims use whatever aliases they want. Then to her case you add her mental illness.

But no, not trans. As the cops say, she was always female.


I'm sure a whole lot of Anti-Trans fanatics are heartbroken since learning that. That is, if they believe the updated report at all.


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