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20 Feb 2024, 6:13 pm

Then maybe it wouldn’t bother me so much that various ASD traits constrain me from taking decisive action and accomplishing things.

It’s so beyond frustrating thinking that I’m intelligent enough to achieve abc/xyz, but just autistic enough to have massive self doubt and limiting beliefs that I may not be able to control my symptoms well enough to be successful as they tend to rear their ugly heads at inopportune times and put an end to forward progress in any particular direction.

And so, frustrated and overwhelmed, w/o knowing exactly what to do, I do nothing.. which burns time and money with no particular good value for either.

Which is why I’m having a moment where I wish I were dumb as rocks. Then none of this would f*****g matter one bit because I wouldn’t feel like I had unutilized potential to exploit. Ignorance truly would be bliss.


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20 Feb 2024, 6:43 pm

I often go through a stretches in the middle of winter where I don't do much.
Hard to do stuff in the yard when snow covers the ground.
Last year I got out so little I was diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency.
This year I took vitamin D supplements.



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20 Feb 2024, 6:48 pm

It’s coming up on a couple year since a confidence crushing job loss after my behavioural symptoms got the best of me. Not just a couple month winter blues or whatever.


I’m naturally very good at some things. My friend that I worked for said I’m the best problem solver he ever had/worked with. I’ve solved some business problems in a split second reaction to the issue over the phone before - like problems that cost $400k/year solved in seconds. I’m good at that stuff. But if I can’t control my behavioural symptoms well enough for my best friend not to have to fire me, whT f*****g chance do I have working anywhere?

Although, there is the possibility of consulting work, contract work, project based work. Only stick around for data collection and problem solving then collect my pay and leave before too many interactions with people.

And then there’s the dream of returning to school and shifting careers entirely again. But massive nagging self doubts about whether I can/should do it. Fast forward 3-4 decades and all of those thoughts and feelings turn into regrets of a wasted life - especially since I don’t have a relationship or children to pour time and energy into.

And I don’t really have anyone to talk to much about any of these things. No one to bounce ideas off of or to ground me with their realistic assessment or to encourage me to go for abc or xyz. I’m basically on my own in my own head and thoughts to figure it out - or not - for myself.. and I’m admittedly not particularly good at it as I haven’t figured any of it out yet, and so, here I sit in analysis paralysis not knowing what to do so doing nothing in almost every way. Not the worst I’ve ever thought or felt, but definitely not a good way to be living/existing.

Blah blah blah f**k.


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20 Feb 2024, 7:31 pm

The youngest guy in my social circle recentlyt hired on as a public school teacher in New York City.
The best thing about the job is the pension he gets after twenty years. Plus the fact that he loves living in NYC.



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20 Feb 2024, 7:50 pm

Good for him/congrats I guess. Not really connecting the dots and seeing how his story is relevant to this thread ? :?


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20 Feb 2024, 8:22 pm

Being in another generation I wouldn't know what goals are practical for your situation.

As a new retiree I'm transitioning with a really short term goals. Really from year to year I rearrange my finances for a possible move to a nice warm climate as I can pretty much afford to live anywhere.

But that seems to be where you need to start. Where to you really want to be in the future?



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20 Feb 2024, 8:55 pm

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Being in another generation I wouldn't know what goals are practical for your situation.

As a new retiree I'm transitioning with a really short term goals. Really from year to year I rearrange my finances for a possible move to a nice warm climate as I can pretty much afford to live anywhere.

But that seems to be where you need to start. Where to you really want to be in the future?

I have no plans of ever fully retiring. I’d get fat and weak and die. I’ll stop working entirely when I Can’t work anymore or I drop dead at work.

Financially it seems impossible to ever retire Unless I were to relocate. Almost no one can afford to live here and save/invest etc.

Granted, I’m insulated from much of the insanity because I have cheap housing for now. Until my mother dies and the house is sold. Then I’d inherit enough money to survive until I die anyways.

I’m currently doing contracting work drywall finishing. My apprenticeship was interrupted by Covid and I shifted gears into business problem solving for 1.5 years, solved problems which are valuable to my friends business, and then f****d up behaviourally and unintentionally put him in a position where he had no choice but to fire me. (Because he has a team of VIP nerds and one of them felt “uncomfortable with my communication style,” after overhearing me react poorly to someone that had snapped and yelled at me.) etc. My days were numbered there anyways since I suggested in person collaboration was better for the business and his 2nd in command says $90k/year isn’t enough to expect someone to leave their bedroom. (As he earns $700k+ from his bedroom.) Blah blah.

I could have gone back to my apprenticeship, or still could. Or I can update my availability with the film union and go build/paint prep film sets when the industry picks back up again.

But after various life experiences, which I have shared here over the years to much negativity, disbelief, insults, calling me a fraud/liar/suggesting I’m perpetuating a hoax etc etc, I still have thoughts that I should go all in and return to school.. Not for another round of business school, no. Sciences & volunteer work until I have enough credits to write the MCAT and apply to medical schools until I get in somewhere, go do that, and then get to work in that field and stick with it until I Can’t work anymore. Then I’ll feel like I at least did something worthwhile vs sanding walls Knowing I can do a whole lot more with my brain than This and that some aspect of Medicine would at least be making a contribution in the highest service to others. And if I truly tried, and failed, I’d at least not have regrets about not going for it. Failure is acceptable; giving up is not.

I have few doubts that I can manage the academic requirements. I’m not sure if I can treat and manage my ASD symptoms well enough to control my behaviours well enough to navigate the social aspects of both training and a career. Mind you, I am self aware of what I f****d up a couple years ago that resulted in my brain & neurological functions slipping and Could learn from those mistakes and not repeat them in a different job/career.

The safe way is to just carry on with construction of some sort. People have lower expectations of behaviour so various quirks are overlooked by rough men vs the social expectations of business environments. But no one ever achieved anything great by playing it safe and not taking risks. (Ok, not entirely true.. there are many who play it safe in their careers and do well like my father did - but he never did express that there was some alternative career path or higher calling he regretted not pursuing.)

So, in conclusion.. f**k if I know I guess.


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21 Feb 2024, 7:23 pm

Had a conversation about health with a friend’s friend late last night and another on fb with someone else today.

No, I’m not pretending to be a doctor - never have. :roll:

But these conversations - I could have conversations like these all day every day and feel very fulfilled. Makes me think I shouldn’t give a flying f**k what anyone thinks, including myself, and just make a start taking a course or two while working and then moving on to the next step and the next step in the process until I get there.

Not like I’m a stranger to difficult challenges others wouldn’t undertake. And certainly not doing anything more valuable with my life.

Hmmmm..


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22 Feb 2024, 6:05 pm

Well that was an interesting and uplifting in person conversation with my tech company CEO friend I used to work for until I f****d up and involuntarily exited his main business.

Cliffs: He thinks I can do anything I want to academically if I decide to pursue it. He also believes I'd make an excellent business consultant, provide value & cash big cheques doing it.. solving other business problems like I did for him.

Which would I pursue? he asked. I told him I know it sounds unfocused, but maybe both - one as a means to the other. Business problem solve and charge for the Value of the solution, not an hourly rate until it's solved. Could potentially earn incredible amounts of money in short amounts of time and have company owners happy to pay it Because they're getting value for it. ie if I sign a contract that they'll pay me 25% of any money I save them, and my solution saves them $400k, then it's worth $100k whether it took me 90 seconds to solve or 90 days. Solutions are solutions - if they're implementable and work in the real world, of course, regardless of how much time it took to come up with them. Might someone gripe about paying a lot in a short period if I'm quick? Maybe, maybe not - value is value whereas other high paid roles earn sales commissions in a moment.. like a Realtor that sells a house in 1 day and cashes a $70k commission cheque. Did they earn it and provide good value? Debatable. But if I have a contract that says my fee is 25% of your annual savings, then I earned it no matter how quickly I did the work and they get value for it in the first year and every year after that into perpetuity. (Random numbers - would consult with consultant friends to see how they value $ saving solutions and money gaining solutions etc in lieu of an hourly billable hour rate. Zero risk for businesses, too. I solve the problems I get paid, I don't, oh well.. they're not paying a consulting invoice for a months worth of fact finding and not getting anything for it if I don't make or save them money.)

If I did something like this I could potentially work in the Summer and earn a typical Year's pay (or more) in order to free my time to be a full time student September-May, rinse and repeat vs. trading my time for hourly pay or <insert a myriad of other ways to be paid - piece rate, flat rate, commission etc.>.

I have a consultant friend to reach out to for information/connections to work. I'd Volunteer to go work with them on their problem solving projects just for the experience/connections etc and figure out how to go about doing my own thing and/or get referrals from them when they're busy with other clients. Blah blah blah.

It's definitely very confidence inspiring to have one of the most successful business people I know tell me that he thinks I'd do very very well in a pursuit like this. It may seem strange, but his comments and compliments and validation/encouragement/support and all things related are incredibly valuable vs. just spinning ideas in my head wondering if I'm cut out to do any of this and not having the self confidence to try any of it. But when someone else who's very smart, very successful, and very honest and wouldn't blow smoke or BS me gives their assessment that I'd kick ass and clean up doing this sort of work.. well then, it makes me feel like I Can do it and should take steps to explore it.

We talked about a few business things in general - good convo.


He also said he's not in a major rush but would like to pay me to repair the walls in his garage and finish them for paint in the house that he bought last year. My pleasure! I'll make 'em look better than the walls in brand new mansions - I know; I work on those. Annnnd he made a point of saying we should see each other more often, visit, have a bbq etc. 100% agreed. It's just been awkward since I left his company And I also know he's the busiest person I know and worth thousands of dollars an hour to his companies so I don't bug him or his family with things. But it'll be great to see them all more than I have. Covid messed with that, too. Miss his kids, too. The oldest may as well have been my daughter when she was very young - grew up in my arms and falling asleep on me while he worked. The middle child, 12, is the single greatest accomplishment of my life to date as it was my intervention when he was just over 12 months old that prevented him from developing as Autistic.. he's 100% neurotypical and a bit of a soccer star athlete. The youngest, 3.5yo, is such a super cutie little deaf toddler with superhuman fine motor skills for his age since he talks with his little fingers.. and they're all tiny people so he's the size of a 2.5 year old at 3.5; poly pocket sized cuteness lol hahaha damn I gotta go have a bbq with them soon and play with that little guy.

So, what am I gonna do? Maybe something more than I have been.. I feel I have the potential, but it's Very Nice to be told by an outside voice that they think I Can and Should do these things. Dunno why I need someone else' validation or encouragement so much, but, I do so it's very very helpful to hear.


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22 Feb 2024, 6:07 pm

No one here cares; I know I'm talking to myself. I guess it's just therapeutic like writing a diary or something.

edit: If anyone does read this, they deserve a laugh. The whole meet-up and conversation happened at all because my friend found a box full of weed in his shop and none of his employees would admit to owning it so he messaged me to ask if I wanted it and I told him if it's super old and dry just throw it out but if it's okay I'll take it and gift it to my sister and brother in law. lolol too funny - he didn't care who's it was.. was just like if it's yours take it home vs. leave it here.. but because they only know his very professional demeanour, I'm sure IF it belonged to someone there they were like "Fuuuuuck.. can't admit that, I'll lose my job." So, now if I have a box of weed to relay.. :lol: Just opened it up to see and it looks like approx 1.5lbs, so worth at Least $750 but probably $1000+ :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also, I didn't Ask him what he thinks of me business problem solving for a living -> he brought it up and told me. Which is far more valuable than if I asked him. I did wonder what he thought, but have never asked because it's a bit of a loaded question and he might BS me and tell me what I want to hear vs. what he thinks. Same for academic pursuits. etc. So feels pretty good he volunteered those thoughts. 8)


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23 Feb 2024, 3:19 am

I don't think it's about "intelligence".
I think it's about self consciousness and awareness.

Having standards and expectations...
...Then the ability to handle the disappointment and shame of not meeting that expectations.


I think autistics here can empathize with that fundamental bit.

The part that likely turns them off is the numbers, the praises and the fulfillment.

To some it might concluded that you already have it all -- high paying job of a niche, all that amount of sexual encounters, and whatever something much more interesting than dealing with anxiety, exhaustion, frustration and burnout as a constant state of their existence.

And that this setback is something you can just recover from -- this is what many of them cannot relate to.

Because to you, this is a 'moment'.
To others, it's mostly perpetuated.
Mine is a part of a cycle that I've yet to break from.


The burnout and the loss of knowing what to do? And the sudden loss of motivation abd direction in life?
I experience that on a regular basis.
Every few or so weeks of knowing what to do, I lost my motivation, focus and "change" -- starting everything I built up for few weeks all over again.

My main conclusion was that because I'm a biological female who cannot handle her own changes in her own body, and without the means to manage every transition. I don't think I have ADHD, I'm just sick.

I do not have the 'discipline' -- it is as if I become 'low functioning mentally ill' after few weeks of not being one, for no reason -- no triggers, no situations, no nothing. It's my hormones.

Then the fallout, then trying to pick up the pieces; that is, if I can 'remember' where I left off AND if I can actually continue from there instead of starting from zero -- or never.


Anyways.
Was that new to you? Or was it something else?

Are you afraid to lose your wings?
I dreamed of having one, only to be deceived every now and then of having one to begin with.

I constantly feel that for so long; the inability to utilize my potential.
I get that high and fulfillment; that one just had to stay positive and not let self doubt get to you, yadda, yadda -- and getting streaks of wins and seeing the downs as a stepping stone.
And all that control, all those ideas, all those plans in life...

But it's not like I chose self doubt to get to me, more like something stupidly subconscious came up.
Something is wrong.

I don't know about you -- but that might be why.
But who knows what made you lose the sustainability of your state?


Well, I myself have a list of potential prospects -- if I don't have this stupid dump in my head and taking a particular path or career...

Even I don't know what's best.
To me everything is a gamble, even the way my 'mind'(more like body) works is never certain.

You can just go to school or/and claim the title of an engineer for all I know...
Which specifically? Can be built and based from your niche and what you already know and like, or make it a random surprise for yourself and roll the dice.

Even that's more plausible in your own case.


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23 Feb 2024, 3:48 am

Do you know why I'm able to work and function as highly as I do and never suffer from autistic burnout?

Edna3362 wrote:
I don't think it's about "intelligence".
I think it's about self consciousness and awareness.


I think it's about intelligence. If I wasn't very intelligent at all, but was very conscious and aware.. I would know that I wasn't very smart and that pursuing something like Medical School would not be a possibility for me so w/e, no worries - my potential isn't very high for academic things like that so may as well make the most of whatever else it is I am good at and do that thing.

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But who knows what made you lose the sustainability of your state?


Why my symptoms flared up? I know why. Dietary changes.


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Well, I myself have a list of potential prospects -- if I'm taking a particular path or career.

Even I don't know what's best.
You can just go to school or/and claim the title of an engineer for all I know...
Which specifically? Can be built and based from your niche and what you already know and like, or surprise yourself and roll the dice without taking it back.

Even that's more plausible in your own case.

I'm not entirely sure I'm interpreting this paragraph correctly so not sure what exactly you're asking/stating or suggesting is more plausible.. every line of the text above has confusing parts to it.


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23 Feb 2024, 4:21 am

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Do you know why I'm able to work and function as highly as I do and never suffer from autistic burnout?

Well, you actually do a have something to manage these things, enough not to constantly suffocate and choose to be at the right time and place.


Most stories I heard was all the external achievements, material and behavioral successes and with all internal agony and cycles of burnouts.

Not from you, not really.
You have a something; can be the diet you kept mentioning.
Or -- can be that, and something else you cannot mention because some did the same and the outcomes not necessarily the same...

Else this thread either does not exist and say it's a 'moment' or that you post here very, very often.

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I don't think it's about "intelligence".
I think it's about self consciousness and awareness.


I think it's about intelligence. If I wasn't very intelligent at all, but was very conscious and aware.. I would know that I wasn't very smart and that pursuing something like Medical School would not be a possibility for me so w/e, no worries - my potential isn't very high for academic things like that so may as well make the most of whatever else it is I am good at and do that thing.

There are plenty who have all the intelligence and even awareness, but do not give a damn and happily live as if they're 10. :o

Sometimes I'm like that -- part of the cycle.

And sometimes I feel like that -- I genuinely did thought it was 'intelligence' or 'conscious', or even 'pride'; which can span around early childhood and early adulthood...

Forced layers of introception and second digits cycles later, it's just all about giving a damn about something -- and do wish I do not give a damn about it.
Get to keep the intelligence and be blissfully do not give a damn. :lol:

That's my own conclusion -- not because you're too intelligent and knowing too much, because you 'cared' about a certain outcome...

And, well, you're worried about that, too. About that outcome.
Of wasting your potential. Of fear of being accused as useless. Of wasting your time 'wallowing'.
Or whatever parameters that made you feel that way.
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But who knows what made you lose the sustainability of your state?


Why my symptoms flared up? I know why. Dietary changes.

That sounds like an easy fix to me in your own case.

Give it time?
And worry when it's long enough to not resolve itself.
Though if you can't afford that much time -- I don't have a solution for that, you got professionals in that regard.
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Well, I myself have a list of potential prospects -- if I'm taking a particular path or career.

Even I don't know what's best.
You can just go to school or/and claim the title of an engineer for all I know...
Which specifically? Can be built and based from your niche and what you already know and like, or surprise yourself and roll the dice without taking it back.

Even that's more plausible in your own case.

I'm not entirely sure I'm interpreting this paragraph correctly so not sure what exactly you're asking/stating or suggesting is more plausible.. every line of the text above has confusing parts to it.

Hmmm... The last part is always my problem but I digress. :lol:

Do you have your own list of possible prospects or aspirations to choose from?


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23 Feb 2024, 4:51 am

As for the baseline level of my life.. yes, it is pretty good. I live in a 3200sf house with only one other person. My car, motorcycle, and van are all paid for + I can drive the truck whenever I want. I have no debt. I have some money. I hangout at a Beautiful beach whenever I want with amazing people. I kiteboard on Howe Sound in Squamish with scenery all around that's so majestic af it's like f*****g pinch me is this place even real rn??? And when I work I earn a decent wage, I have more friends than I care to visit/hangout with, and my sex life has been.. above average.

And while that's all light-years better than a dozen years go when I was in the depths of AS living Hell, it is now simply the baseline level of living/lifestyle that's just my new normal and like everyone else in their lifestyles I want to at least maintain it but ideally drastically improve it and/or achievements/accomplishments & wealth building vs. just stay stagnant and accept what I've done as all I can do. Sure, even with ups and downs and setbacks I've still risen to a pretty good spot in life.. but there's definitely more that can be done. I still haven't even really truly fully achieved independence - I mean, I Could survive on my own (I did have my own place before.) but I don't have the income I would need to live my same lifestyle at a different address. It'd be nice to make enough to properly be able to support myself if/when needed.

I think Most People take a lot of things for granted. Stable home, vehicles to use, abundance of food etc - these things just become your baseline minimum expected daily lifestyle and people seek to increase their incomes and in turn lifestyle or retirement fund or whatever. It's just what people do after they ascend above the level of fight or flight scrambling for survival and then never look back.

*Also note: I've had a lot of years of poverty. On average my income is not very high at all. I'm just blessed to be in a position with very inexpensive housing costs and no dependents which enables me to save money at a way higher than typical rate. It's the house my father paid for that enables me to save a lot of my income instead of hand it all over to a landlord.

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Do you have your own list of possible prospects or aspirations to choose from?

Occupations, professions etc ? Yes.


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23 Feb 2024, 8:52 am

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No one here cares; I know I'm talking to myself.


Not quite. I'm reading and I can relate to a lot of what you're saying here. On paper I have a lot of potential. I'm smarter than your average bear. But I'm also constantly frustrated by self-doubt and self-sabotaging behaviors.

Compared to many people here I've been able to achieve a lot but it feels like a fraction of what was possible and everything has come at the expense of a massive amount of effort and anxiety that i just can't sustain.

I don't have much to add. I just wanted to say I'm reading and I feel similarly.


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As for the baseline level of my life.. yes, it is pretty good. I live in a 3200sf house with only one other person. My car, motorcycle, and van are all paid for + I can drive the truck whenever I want. I have no debt. I have some money. I hangout at a Beautiful beach whenever I want with amazing people. I kiteboard on Howe Sound in Squamish with scenery all around that's so majestic af it's like f*****g pinch me is this place even real rn??? And when I work I earn a decent wage, I have more friends than I care to visit/hangout with, and my sex life has been.. above average.

And while that's all light-years better than a dozen years go when I was in the depths of AS living Hell, it is now simply the baseline level of living/lifestyle that's just my new normal and like everyone else in their lifestyles I want to at least maintain it but ideally drastically improve it and/or achievements/accomplishments & wealth building vs. just stay stagnant and accept what I've done as all I can do. Sure, even with ups and downs and setbacks I've still risen to a pretty good spot in life.. but there's definitely more that can be done. I still haven't even really truly fully achieved independence - I mean, I Could survive on my own (I did have my own place before.) but I don't have the income I would need to live my same lifestyle at a different address. It'd be nice to make enough to properly be able to support myself if/when needed.

I think Most People take a lot of things for granted. Stable home, vehicles to use, abundance of food etc - these things just become your baseline minimum expected daily lifestyle and people seek to increase their incomes and in turn lifestyle or retirement fund or whatever. It's just what people do after they ascend above the level of fight or flight scrambling for survival and then never look back.

*Also note: I've had a lot of years of poverty. On average my income is not very high at all. I'm just blessed to be in a position with very inexpensive housing costs and no dependents which enables me to save money at a way higher than typical rate. It's the house my father paid for that enables me to save a lot of my income instead of hand it all over to a landlord.

Edna3362 wrote:
Do you have your own list of possible prospects or aspirations to choose from?

Occupations, professions etc ? Yes.

And you hadn't able to decide?

Decide to upskill? Make more variety of experiences? Switch careers? Get prompted to get a goal and do it like a dare?

I get the indecision.
I don't know how much of a moment it is for you -- but to me, it happens again and again for no reason other than sleeping on it and waking up it's gone and my head is changed not for the better.


But this is about you.
Your above average lifestyle -- past from becoming your lifestyle baseline -- how much of a struggle was it to maintain?

Had you evaluated yourself that if what you have now is what you want and not just some idea society fed you?

Are you content to where you are now or you want more? Or, are you looking for a change?


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