Questions about the terms Neurodiversity uses

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This whole thing is rather triggering, but really needs to be said. Sorry, not sorry.

Please do some actual research, or ask some of us that have actually had those issues, because this is just garbage. I have had all the diagnostic criteria met for nearly all the schizophrenia spectrum disorder diagnoses over the years, and this is an offensive correlation to make. Both, because most autistic people are able to manage to some degree in society, even if not at the level that our NT peers do, much of that is due to not knowing how to adapt things to ourselves in a way that minimizes the disadvantage. But, also, because there's nothing particularly mild about schizophrenia. The voices when they are there can be so loud as to make communication or attention impossible to maintain, and having to just act on faith that there are no monsters around you, and analyze everything that you're believing to see if it's reasonable or not is a lot of work.

I've also had the pleasure of talking with a schizophrenic that was mid psychotic episode and to a limited extent, I do see the point that he was a lot more in touch with reality than one might imagine. But, it was also a very dysfunctional and problematic way of experiencing the world and I doubt that he wouldn't have taken an effective treatment to make the psychosis go away, or at least be more manageable as the disorder pretty much destroys everything it touches. If you know what it is, then you can adjust a bit, but it's still tantamount to trying to run a time trial on a rocking boat while everybody else gets to do theirs on solid ground.

This whole bit of sugarcoating autism is also pretty offensive, you've got a different experience of it, I get it, but for the a significant chunk of the population, and arguably the most overlooked and under supported portion, that's just how it is for us. We can't get any sort of recognition or support because we're "not autistic" enough, and we're "not autistic enough" because there's a bunch of hardliners that absolutely insist that it's the autism that's the problem, rather than just certain traits or comorbidities. There is no legitimate reason why that position needs to be taken and for it to come from people who got their diagnosis and have at least some hope of support is rather problematic. Some of us have to fight to get a diagnosis and go through years of inappropriate medical treatment because we don't fit the stereotype.

EDIT: And BTW, while autism may be king in terms of terrible employment numbers, psychotic disorders are king when it comes to self murdering. That may improve slightly by destigmatizing it, but it's still just an absolutely horrible way of going through life and I feel extremely grateful that I just have the inconveniences of autism that can be managed, versus the ones with schizophrenia that are far harder to cope iwth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7721561/

The autism rights movement, also known as the autistic acceptance movement, is a social movement allied with disability rights that emphasizes a neurodiversity paradigm, viewing autism as a disability with variations in the human brain rather than as a disease to be cured.

The Hearing Voices Movement regards itself and is regarded by others as being a post-psychiatric organisation.[14][15][16] It positions itself outside of the mental health world in recognition that voices are an aspect of human difference, rather than a mental health problem.

This whole bit of sugarcoating autism is also pretty offensive, you've got a different experience of it, I get it, but for the a significant chunk of the population, and arguably the most overlooked and under supported portion, that's just how it is for us. We can't get any sort of recognition or support because we're "not autistic" enough, and we're "not autistic enough" because there's a bunch of hardliners that absolutely insist that it's the autism that's the problem, rather than just certain traits or comorbidities

I never said Schizophrenia was mild or anything other than a horrible condition

The similarities in message with the Hearing Voices Movement and autism ND movement are striking:-

Autism:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_rights_movement

Schizophrenia:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearing_V ... 20lifetime

As far as sugar coating is concerned given I've heard of schizophrenics driven to kill themselves because the couldn't stand hearing the demons in their head, i think its reasonable to consider the above statement would constitute sugar coating a horrible disorder.



Its really the one size fits all approach the ND movement takes that's the problem even though there is no such thing as a single condition called autism.

But none of that would really matter if they got out of the way of things that they themselves don't want but others do like medical research & certain policy forming that effect others but not really themselves like employment for ID autistic people.

They also use "we" a lot when they make their divisive statements as if they were somehow given authority to speak on my behalf, unlike other groups for conditions that generally have everyone on the same page of opinion.

There's a whole lot more irritating things that I've mentioned previously but don't have time to go into right now.

You're born with a predisposition, but the symptoms don't typically emerge until after puberty. There's often a prodrome period prior to more typical symptoms emerging.

Very-early onset schizophrenia does exist, but it's relatively rare.

The cause of schizophrenia is not fully known, but the disease is considered to be of multifactorial genesis with heredity and psychosocial stress as risk factors. Various stressors can increase the risk of developing the disease, such as: lack of sleep, malnutrition, alcohol or drug abuse, systemic diseases. Psychosocial stressors such as migration, exclusion, childhood trauma, unemployment and homelessness are known to increase the risk of schizophrenia.