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11 Mar 2024, 8:42 pm

there's actually some logic in that decision (Oprah's)

But, just to mention one example, how would you justify expensive wine cellars valued around a billion dollars some people partake of?



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11 Mar 2024, 8:43 pm

when you have that much money - you no longer have to justify anything to anyone. It becomes that simple.



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11 Mar 2024, 8:45 pm

Even to yourself?

How deep is the rabbit hole these people live in?



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11 Mar 2024, 8:50 pm

Its easy to rationalize your own behavior, and it get even easier each and every time you do it. Haven't you ever made an expensive purchase, and then told yourself something like it would last longer than something more inexpensive so it has added value, etc.

You have to remember too that when you are mega rich, you get richer every day, at some point it becomes nearly impossible to spend it all. So values change. $100 dollars is a fortune to someone who has nothing and is pocket change to a millionaire.



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11 Mar 2024, 8:52 pm

Not for a long time.

I'm "on the couch" for a while now.



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11 Mar 2024, 8:58 pm

I find the opposite: that I get pleasure sometimes in getting a book for a few bucks used rather than brand spanking new. And we could save a trillion dollars a day if people would just get things used, and that's just one example



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11 Mar 2024, 9:00 pm

so do I, but I am not a millionaire - my values are different from someone who can have whatever they want whenever they want it.



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11 Mar 2024, 9:01 pm

oh c'mon, have more confidence in yourself! (;



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11 Mar 2024, 9:02 pm

I didn't say I'd never be rich, only that I am not at present. :-)



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11 Mar 2024, 11:18 pm

Have you looked into the Stanford Space Torus Project?

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12 Mar 2024, 8:54 am

No

Thanks, will check it out.



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12 Mar 2024, 9:34 am

It would be cool if there was a type of technology that could change someone's personality so that the person wouldn't be so scary.


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12 Mar 2024, 1:27 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
It would be cool if there was a type of technology that could change someone's personality so that the person wouldn't be so scary.


Who gets to define who's scary and needs changed?


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12 Mar 2024, 11:41 pm

The staff at my clubhouse and my outreach worker, apparently. You can't trust anybody these days.


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13 Mar 2024, 6:57 am

If there were a number of space stations receiving regular shipments of supplies from Earth, it would be super expensive. The amount of fuel to escape Earth's gravity well would be a huge hurdle. The best thing would be to build a space elevator. This would require an up-front energy cost, but then would be nearly self supporting (down and up go together, for a net force nearing 0). Only once this was done would a "Supply Chain" be economically viable.


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13 Mar 2024, 8:06 am

ISRU means In Situ Resource Utilization. Because leaving Earth is so expensive it is better to get supplies somewhere else, like the moon. If you want to live on Mars you get what you need on Mars. The doc Fnord cited is basically the blueprint Jeff Bezos is working on. I bought it in book form on amazon before I discovered it was free on the internet. It is one of the two books I cite on the other thread about the cost of a space ship. The other book is the one Elon Musk is following. The first technology to develop is cheaper launches from Earth. That makes starting any project in space more doable. Elon has made good progress in that with reusable rockets. Jeff isn’t far behind. Fnord’s doc also cites the following things as possible imports to Earth: space based Solar energy (photovoltaic or thermal focusing- both used today on Earth) and information / innovation. Most things in space are more expensive to take to Earth than to just find on Earth. So the more reasonable goal is to move to space and then stay there.
There is more solar energy to be harvested in space than ever hits earth. So that is the next technological to develop. Radiation protection is needed but really is already solved: a thick layer of polyethylene will work, with aluminum for structure and support. Some innovations in composite materials that have the strength of aluminum and the radiation properties of polyethylene could be useful. A large donut shaped structure that spins could provide artificial gravity (other shapes could work too). Moon rocks contain oxygen. Once you have space based solar you have plenty of energy to get the oxygen out of the rocks, and do other endothermic chemistry. When people breath they don’t use up all the oxygen, a lot is breathed out again as carbon dioxide. This can be converted back to breathable oxygen. Already done on the ISS. Could be made more efficient. Mass transportation and manufacturing come next. Strangely hydrogen is hard to come by on Mars, it escapes from the atmosphere into space. But it exists in the form of water in the permafrost and at the poles.

To make you space ship independent of the sun fusion reactors could be developed. A fusion reactor recently achieved better than break even (more energy out than in). This will probably continue to develop.
Hydroponics to grow food or something like vats of protein producing microorganisms.
Think space yogurt.

On Mars you might raise fish.

On Mars or on the Moon you can also use regolith (dirt) and water to block radiation.

Human longevity and health in general would be key if you wanted to go to the next nearest star. You don’t want a virus to wipe you out before you get there.
You might want to sustain more than one generation of humans on the trip.

Carbon negative technologies like making diamonds out of carbon dioxide (already being done) would help Earth to stay healthy- space based solar (using lasers to beam the energy down to earth) might provide for energy to engage in carbon negative endothermic chemistry. You would have to be careful. Too much space based solar energy could end up heating the planet. Better to have more people living in space and using the energy there.


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