Sick and tired of identity politics

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Balkanization has two meanings - one is political, the other is linguistic.

Political: fragmentation of an area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkanization

Linguistic: convergent development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_sprachbund

The area is interesting from the linguistic point of view, since unlike in a political sense, linguistically the languages of the Balkans (mostly) belong to the Balkan sprachbund, aka they share many common traits. Politically, the people here get along as cake and onions. Tito made a fake country which didn't last even 50 years. Not much to cry about apart from some awesome movies that were made as a mutual collaboration. Some great music was done as well.

As for OP, glorifying something you haven't experienced first-hand is delusional.

Have you ever wanted to live in a nation or a world, where it does not conform to values imposed by the great powers, where it is not about certain things being accepted at the expense of other cultures, where it is about everyone and not certain people? That is the communism we pursue for, but we may never achieve it in our lifetime. Maybe in the far future beyond our lifetime. Surely it will be achieved.

I am an autistic man who is starving to death from a lack of social interaction outside of my family. The only people I have been able to upkeep as my friends are those on the Internet. Seeing how harsh this segregation is from the liberals and nationalists, I see nothing but a mass social famine of those who do not fall within the neurotypical standards set by these ideologies. Liberals claim to fight for diversity but all they ever do is fight for their own privileges and not for equal rights.

Most of the information on autistic people is false on TikTok as one study concluded in 2023. The lack of respect for actual socially endangered and socially starving people by both the liberals and nationalists is what is causing this new mass famine which even outnumbers the mass famines from totalitarian regimes such as Stalinist, Maoist, and Juche. If something from the past I didn't get to experience means that it's delusional, then my social starvation compared to that of a Ukrainian starving in 1932 because of the greedy Russians is a false hoax to you I suppose?

I have respectfully tried to get along with other of my classmates but seeing how they clearly have different interests and that there is no alternative to replace, I, the 18-year-old, soon to be 19, autistic man, am clearly starving a slow but painful death because I require simply one most trustworthy friend and nothing else so that I can do as much as I can to help them and have them help me so that I no longer starve to death from lack of social interactions outside of my family. I'm happy to be even still in the family because why would I ever be happy with the Western idea of being more independent and having your own house all to yourself when you are a social creature? Is being independent and moving away at 18 the new norm of individualism that only reinforces parasitic behavior to destroy families and tell people that grown people should live in their own homes and not rely on their families anymore?

I mean, that is what I see but who am I to change if we're not gonna force people to conform on certain things. We want everyone to be happy with one thing and that is that we're humans and that we can achieve great things that are impossible to achieve without global human cooperation. In order to do that, we must enter communism and work on a better world, otherwise we will all die before the Sun consumes us.

Having seen what people are capable of, I don't think that is possible. Wanna-be communists are just as fallible, weak and easily corrupted as all the others. Hippies tried something similar in the sixties and seventies, yet it didn't last since they were fallible too.

What you speak of was lost when people discovered agriculture, when some started to think themselves better than others for having more goods. Then came the first wars, genocides etc. And it's only getting worse.

However, you might find that sort of commune in what's left of the tribal people around the globe. Until they also get assimilated.

I wonder if the victims of Tito would feel that he deserved to be glorified. People like Milovan Djilas or Venko Markovski. People like the ethnic Albanians he persecuted. The suppressions upon the freedom of the press, the huge numbers of political prisoners, restrictions on protest and dissent - it wasn't a good time.

I wonder if the Croatians and Slovenes who have seen their countries flourish since the break-up would feel the same way. I wonder if the victims of Milosevic and Mladic - the Croats, Bosniaks, and Kosovars - would feel like everything would be OK if they still lived under the yolk of Serbia.

Pining for the return of Yugoslavia is the very epitome of nationalist identity politics. It's the equivalent of a British person wanting the Empire back.

Its mainly geopolitical.

A geographic region that descends into becoming fragmented into a bunch of feuding mutually hating tribal groups is said to have become "Balkanized". Because thats...exactly what the Balkan region of Europe is. The feuding groups will tend to ally to different outside superpowers...thus threatening to drag the world into the local petty feuds.

Which is what Bismark predicted... that "the great war of Europe will begin with some damned fool thing happening in the Balkans". And decades later an archduke was assassinated in Serbia ...dragging all of Europe into the First World War.

^that's a pretty clear explanation, thanks.

While you have inequalities and haves/have nots, then identity politics will persist and never go away.

The privileged who say "why don't minorities just work hard and stop complaining" sound reminiscent of Marie Antoinette who prior to the French revolution (where she lost her head literally) prescribed that poor French people who were starving were lazy and could bake themselves frosted cakes with icing decorations.

In the interest of historical accuracy:

While the comment is attributed to Marie Antoinette, she never said it and was only 9 years old when it was included in Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions. It's a misattribution.

Also, the exact phrase is "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" and a brioche ain't a frosted cake with icing decorations

Another useful heuristic: If posted by Cyberdad, ALWAYS perform an in-depth fact-check.

Good point but you see. Croats and Slovenes prospered thanks to Tito relocating the Serb industry into those regions. He could have used their surpluses to balance regional equality and prevent nationalism from arising from inferiority as it would have been easily suppressed when there was no inequality among the republics. For sure it wasn't a good time for liberals and nationalists but for people in general, it was relatively peaceful and secure since the Tito regime had relied on self-management of the working class with its market socialist policy implemented in 1950. Economically it did benefit but it was a mediocre performance and eventually it stopped in the 1970s and worsened in the 1980s. Shock therapy basically resulted in the economic downfall of Yugoslavia by 1990s.

The Albanians who were persecuted were persecuted by Aleksandar Ranković who deviated from the Titoist value of Brotherhood and Unity and used the Hoxhaist paranoia against Tito to justify the Serb colonization of Kosovo. Ranković suppressed the Albanians too much that even Tito was angry at Ranković's actions and removed him from power in the 1960s (although it should have been done earlier).

I understand that bringing back Yugoslavia is rather nationalist but what you said is more than that. It is pan-nationalism. Now while that is certainly of nationalist tendency, Yugoslavia would still be a multi-ethnic state run by the communist principle of Brotherhood and Unity in which all Yugoslavs are to be treated equally and the republics are balanced just as Josip Broz Tito intended thanks to Tito expanding on Leninist thought and creating his own thought on communism.

Tito was the antimatter of Stalin. Tito was a Leninist who then later developed his own form of communism. Tito never wanted socialism in one country. Tito wanted it for every country. Tito never considered Serbs as the true Yugoslavs. He wanted every Yugoslav to be equal and not bicker over their own identities. So you see, the liberal policies from the West and the nationalist and reactionary policies of the East are neither beneficial to the Brotherhood and Unity. What these people need is a communist Yugoslavia. It isn't gonna give them a special individual identity but an identity that matches with everyone. The identity of the Human. Because they're all humans and should strive for a common goal of prosperity and progress without any obstacle getting in their way. Liberals do not succeed in that as they still seek to segregate people based on their identities, the same way nationalists do.

It may be that identity politics are never-ending. Instead of eradicating them, we should minimize on the segregationist efforts by the liberals and nationalists so that we avoid great instability that will cause the collapse of civilizations and societies because people are simply repeating history.

Also, this isn't about minorities. It is about liberals and nationalists exploiting the minorities with their own political beliefs.

I see. Based on Marxist sense it is that primitive communism was a thing until classes became a thing. Historical materialism is what you're looking for and it is the theory that class wars started with the rise of Slave-holding societies and that classes will be abolished with the advent of communism. The exploitation of the proletariat began from slave owners exploiting slaves then from feudal lords exploiting the peasants and finally capitalist bourgeois exploiting the proletariat. Marx incorrectly stated that a revolution was going to happen in industrialized society when it happened in Russia since peasants were angry with the lack of freedom and harsh treatment they'd been getting from the Romanovs.
Marx even considered the peasants as "undesirable" for the revolution due to the lack of literacy.

So basically, the creation of class societies is what opened the Pandora's box and resulted in thousands of years of conflicts, wars, and social instability.

And one day, the World will become the Balkans if people don't stop basing their own identities on their own personalities and worries, much to the expense of impending global crises such as climate change, global warming, and overpopulation. Why do they desperately want recognition so bad when they're mostly recognized thanks to human rights they fought for? But nope. They want more than just equality. They want to be more equal than others.

Orwell said it. "All animals are equal but some are more equal than others."

Equality is good.

The simple, yet not-so-easy step of achieving equality is putting our personal matters aside and look upon the benefits of working together for a common goal.