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Should we abolish liberalism in America?
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09 Apr 2024, 12:50 pm

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Try reading this thing Lenin wrote before he was in power, it will totally invalidate his actions once he had power.


Even if there was factionalism, I doubt that Lenin would be paranoid like Stalin. The Bolsheviks were very loyal to Lenin and if Lenin survived, he would have a huge loyalty from the Bolshevik vanguard that he helped create and lead to victories against the Russian White Army. The only time Lenin was harsh like Stalin was during the Russian Civil War. An interwar Leninist period of the USSR would have been more bright than the Stalinist period. Famine wouldn't be an issue due to decentralization and so less people die of hunger due to the republics having some autonomy to manage harvests.


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09 Apr 2024, 12:55 pm

Also, that comment you made seems rather flawed. You're basically saying that any written theory will always produce a practical flaw, even if the person were to follow it. I don't know why you're so desperate to want Lenin to be the paranoid bad guy despite having a huge loyal following from his vanguard and not having to deal with factionalism and paranoia like Stalin did.

So what does that mean? Does that mean that self-determination is completely invalidated because it was produced in 1914, before the October Revolution? Does that mean that the right to decentralize the USSR is ultimately invalid because Lenin made this before he asserted power? Is the whole Soviet Union now invalid because Lenin wrote that thing before power? Is Communism also invalid because it was written by Marx in 1848, way long before communism took power in Russia?


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10 Apr 2024, 11:22 pm



Y'all need to look at this video. It is a 13-minute video explaining how liberal capitalism benefits from the polarization of Americans. Don't you want to avoid the civil war? Don't you want to stop the civil war that people are preaching about? If you want America to exist, then you must realize and be aware that social media has polarized us greater than ever. Democrats and Republicans are the puppets of the capitalist elite. American Liberalism is a name the bourgeois proudly titles itself. Is that the "Land of the Free" people talk about?

Even a commie like me is worried that the American state is gonna collapse like this in a violent way like Yugoslavia did all because of polarization. Y'all gonna get Balkanized in terms of politics. History is bound to repeat!


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11 Apr 2024, 10:09 pm

I don't think it would be constitutional to abolish a political ideology.


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12 Apr 2024, 5:44 am

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I don't think it would be constitutional to abolish a political ideology.


The Constitution's right to what?

The constitutional right to protect liberal values like these nowadays is similar to the Confederate propaganda of the "right of the state" to preserve slavery. If the Constitution allows that, then welcome to the new age Confederacy where you are enslaved by their liberal values through social media. Maybe not abolish liberalism immediately but get rid of the liberal empire at once and begin restructuring America from the scratch step by step.


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12 Apr 2024, 6:46 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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I don't think it would be constitutional to abolish a political ideology.


The Constitution's right to what?

The constitutional right to protect liberal values like these nowadays is similar to the Confederate propaganda of the "right of the state" to preserve slavery. If the Constitution allows that, then welcome to the new age Confederacy where you are enslaved by their liberal values through social media. Maybe not abolish liberalism immediately but get rid of the liberal empire at once and begin restructuring America from the scratch step by step.


So...freedom is slavery. So...lets free America from...FREEDOM! So we can have the freedom of living under a dictatorship!

Makes sense to me! :D



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12 Apr 2024, 6:50 am

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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
I don't think it would be constitutional to abolish a political ideology.


The Constitution's right to what?

The constitutional right to protect liberal values like these nowadays is similar to the Confederate propaganda of the "right of the state" to preserve slavery. If the Constitution allows that, then welcome to the new age Confederacy where you are enslaved by their liberal values through social media. Maybe not abolish liberalism immediately but get rid of the liberal empire at once and begin restructuring America from the scratch step by step.


So...freedom is slavery. So...lets free America from...FREEDOM! So we can have the freedom of living under a dictatorship!

Makes sense to me! :D


No need. You already are a slave under "freedom" of the liberal capitalist America just like how you would be under "freedom" in Russia and "freedom" in China. And that brings us to another thing. America is in bliss from ignorance.


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12 Apr 2024, 11:18 am

Before you ask. Yes. I read it as sarcasm so that's why I said "No need" for that. What we should not do is let the American government perpetuate their own vision of "freedom" for freedom is slavery in America. American economy prospered with the unity of its people for sure and America won wars thanks to the Brotherhood and Unity. But the capitalist system has enabled polarization of American politics that it is Balkanizing America so bad because it's just that the liberal "Constitution" is allowing for such loopholes of corruption to ensure such kleptocracy.

I'd say we rewrite the entire god damn American constitution and show the Americans that if the Founding Fathers expected the United States, then it must be the United States. Communism is the key, even if it is the prime villain of all America, liberals and nationalists dishonored the American patriotism. America needs Brotherhood and Unity just like Yugoslavia if it ever wants to remain "United" and not succumb to Balkanization.

Arise, all Americans! Arm yourselves against tyranny since you like having so many guns! It's a couple hundred million up against a mere two million and several more million.


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13 Apr 2024, 7:07 am

Nineteen Eighty-Four is not supposed to be an instruction manual.



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13 Apr 2024, 8:07 am

You're only 18. I'm sure your views will change as you become older and you begin to aquire more subatantial private property of your own. If/when you do you'll realise the importance of private property and the laws surrounding it.

Countries that don't even respect private property rights are ones where the entire population have no aspiration to work because the state will "redistribute" any success they achieve. Everyone becomes poor and ironically it's usually the ones who can't cope well in a capitalist society who suffer the most.

Have you ever seriously thought about how difficult it is to take the property off people who by default of owning a lot of private wealth, are more forward thinking, better planners and often more intelligent than the average person? Communism suddenly won't stop these people being the alpha dogs in society. The people at the bottom of the heap in a capitalist society will still be at the bottom in a communist society.



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14 Apr 2024, 3:27 am

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You're only 18. I'm sure your views will change as you become older and you begin to aquire more subatantial private property of your own. If/when you do you'll realise the importance of private property and the laws surrounding it.

Countries that don't even respect private property rights are ones where the entire population have no aspiration to work because the state will "redistribute" any success they achieve. Everyone becomes poor and ironically it's usually the ones who can't cope well in a capitalist society who suffer the most.

Have you ever seriously thought about how difficult it is to take the property off people who by default of owning a lot of private wealth, are more forward thinking, better planners and often more intelligent than the average person? Communism suddenly won't stop these people being the alpha dogs in society. The people at the bottom of the heap in a capitalist society will still be at the bottom in a communist society.


I'm aware that my views will change given that my brain has years to continue. Speaking of property, what you've described is total government control of all property. In Yugoslavia, that was not the case. As Tito imposed self-management, the ownership of the production was bequeathed to the working class, not the state. The state still had some influence such as giving free education and free healthcare. However, there was workplace democracy by the workers and no bourgeois element was able to corrupt their way to the top without being halted by Tito's iron fist or the direct action of the workers who notice such abnormality in their workplace.

Because of the mixed economy where workers owned businesses while the state still had significant influence too, the Yugoslav economy and social order were fine for the most part until the 1970s when the international oil crisis hit and Yugoslavia's economy declined. Tito died in 1980 and it only intensified the decline. Lack of a strongman and wisdom to carry the Brotherhood and Unity that created a sense of a strong community is what caused Yugoslavia to collapse. Economically this could have been averted with reforms that may have pushed Yugoslavia to a jump like China did under Deng Xiaoping. Market Socialism started off well in Yugoslavia but it was not reformed the right way. Yugoslavia could have remained socialist and united had the crisis been solved and had the economy been reformed a similar way like China (though I'm not defending the CCP at any cost, especially the claims that they practice state capitalism and the undeniable fact that they persecute Muslims which is the opposite of Yugoslavia which gave equality to Muslims in 1970s).


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14 Apr 2024, 3:29 am

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Nineteen Eighty-Four is not supposed to be an instruction manual.


It is certainly not an instruction manual unless you read it for the first time. "1984" is a reminder that we live in a world where there are three major powers competing for dominance and societies in those three are usually deviated from the reality by bourgeois control. Though that book was written by a democratic socialist, it still gives off imperialist vibes.

We have America as "Oceania", Russia as "Eurasia", and China as "Eastasia". Our main subject of this topic is America.


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14 Apr 2024, 3:48 am

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Democrats and Republicans

Liberals and Conservatives

They're all on the same side of the capitalist coin for a long time. Supporting Biden means nothing. It's like supporting Trump but under the disguise of a "liberal". The capitalist two-party system clearly allows for this competition of two major parties that solely depend on corporations and kleptocracy in order to attain such power. The "land of the free" is nothing like you think of it. In fact, America is basically Russia for a reason since they like to complain about Russia having an authoritarian government, the American authoritarian right-wing government is solely run by capitalists who run the two-party system of Democrats and Republicans for centuries. When was the time that America had a third-party individual elected?

Americans are complaining and hating Russia for "authoritarianism" (same for China) and yet the corporates and bourgeois elites don't even allow for a third party to compete and win a significant amount of seats or votes in the elections. Nearly 30 trillion USD of GDP and this country managed to obtain it through dirty work. America, China, and Russia are three imperialist factions with China being the most authoritarian of them all. China literally persecutes Muslims Russia is persecuting Ukrainians for not being Russians and America is persecuting the independents for not voting for Democrats or Republicans.


It's complicated, like at the moment we have a democracy....and if Trump wins we may not have one anymore. Biden isn't great either, but he is the better choice than Trump.

You are right that like 3rd parties and such should be given more of a chance to compete with democrats and republicans, on that I do agree with you.

But for now it is more important that we don't elect Trump because if that happens then we won't even have two parties, let alone a 3rd party because it won't be a democracy anymore under Trump. At least with biden he won't try to become a dictator. Independents should vote democrat or there won't even be a platform for them anymore. If Trump wins he and his thugs will implement project 2025 which would make this a christian nationalist nation instead of a democracy.


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14 Apr 2024, 10:36 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
Democrats and Republicans

Liberals and Conservatives

They're all on the same side of the capitalist coin for a long time. Supporting Biden means nothing. It's like supporting Trump but under the disguise of a "liberal". The capitalist two-party system clearly allows for this competition of two major parties that solely depend on corporations and kleptocracy in order to attain such power. The "land of the free" is nothing like you think of it. In fact, America is basically Russia for a reason since they like to complain about Russia having an authoritarian government, the American authoritarian right-wing government is solely run by capitalists who run the two-party system of Democrats and Republicans for centuries. When was the time that America had a third-party individual elected?

Americans are complaining and hating Russia for "authoritarianism" (same for China) and yet the corporates and bourgeois elites don't even allow for a third party to compete and win a significant amount of seats or votes in the elections. Nearly 30 trillion USD of GDP and this country managed to obtain it through dirty work. America, China, and Russia are three imperialist factions with China being the most authoritarian of them all. China literally persecutes Muslims Russia is persecuting Ukrainians for not being Russians and America is persecuting the independents for not voting for Democrats or Republicans.


It's complicated, like at the moment we have a democracy....and if Trump wins we may not have one anymore. Biden isn't great either, but he is the better choice than Trump.

You are right that like 3rd parties and such should be given more of a chance to compete with democrats and republicans, on that I do agree with you.

But for now it is more important that we don't elect Trump because if that happens then we won't even have two parties, let alone a 3rd party because it won't be a democracy anymore under Trump. At least with biden he won't try to become a dictator. Independents should vote democrat or there won't even be a platform for them anymore. If Trump wins he and his thugs will implement project 2025 which would make this a christian nationalist nation instead of a democracy.


Now you clearly make a good point. We should first work on getting rid of Trump and then in 2025, we strike against liberalism and reform America.


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14 Apr 2024, 11:37 pm

I'm more in favor of censoring internet propagandists from these communist nations that clearly don't have my country's best interests at heart.


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15 Apr 2024, 1:42 am

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I'm more in favor of censoring internet propagandists from these communist nations that clearly don't have my country's best interests at heart.


As a commie from Yugoslavia, I say that I don't have American imperialism and McDonaldism at my heart. You should try some delightful food like Ćevaps and Burek which taste a lot better than burgers. Anyways, liberalism is still bad because it's practically nationalism in disguise of an angel.


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