One man’s experience of a female stalker

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26 Apr 2024, 6:56 pm

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Sexual violence is underreported for both men and women. Women experience a lot of stigma such as victim-blaming and stuff like that which makes it very difficult to make a report and follow through with it. There can be issues depending on the law enforcement in one’s area too. The perception is that women have it easier when it comes to this stuff, but the perception is an exaggeration of reality.

Many victims don’t make a report because of how daunting and traumatic the process is. That’s true for all genders.



Exactly.

It's not easy for anyone to report. There's a systemic problem with family law where victims are often discredited. I faced it myself when I was told I was "too emotional" and therefore not credible. When I went back to police a second time I was told I was too stoic and therefore not credible. Both times I had visible injuries and a documented history of DV with recorded evidence. Police don't have the necessary training to intervene, as we've seen often in true crime cases like Gabby Petito who was on video with police and eyewitnesses, but was told she was too emotional or that it was even her own fault. Two weeks later she was murdered by her partner. Police now suggest she was the abuser (?!)

I'm not saying it's easier for men, or easier for women. It's not easy for anyone to report, especially if they don't have thousands of dollars in savings. These cases will ultimately be referred to family law and they're very expensive.

It's not always an intimate partner. I know men who are abused by their mothers, and women who are abused by perfect strangers.

Advocacy and awareness are the key.


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26 Apr 2024, 6:59 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
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I personally think in a way women who abuse their men are even worst. For one thing it's not like men who are victims of abuse have anyone to advocate for their rights. I mean have you ever even heard of a domestic violence shelter that welcomed men? Because I sure have not!

The abuse shelter in my town welcomes all genders.

Abuse is equally horrible no matter who does it.


So maybe they do exist, but you and I both know that men who get abused whether physically, psychologically, and esp sexually are less likely to come forward for obvious reasons. A wife who smacks the hell out of her husband or hits him over the head with a frying pan is still treated as "laughable" by some comedians even to this day but that would never have been the case the other way around, not even in the days before women had the right to vote in the US.

I'm not trying to blame all women or imply anything bad so please don't get me wrong. But there really is a double standard in society about how female victims of abuse are treated in comparison to male victims. And we don't really have people standing up for our rights when it's our gender being victimized.

It's like society expects women to be the victims but for men we're told to "Man up".


I agree with you on everything you have said.

I doubt you'd convince a feminist of these biases, however. *wink*

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One would think that a little sensitivity would be demonstrated to female survivors who have personal experience with this topic. I guess my expectations were a bit too high.

Once again, crimes like sexual and domestic violence are underreported for all genders because of stigma and how challenging it is to go through a trial. That’s not to say that men aren’t even less likely to make a report than women are, but that doesn’t mean that it’s an easy process for women. Some choose not to go through a trial because of how traumatic the process often is. Many who’ve experienced it say that it was as traumatizing as the SA itself.


I actually agree with that, it's very hard on both genders but I think in very different ways. That's what a double standard is.

I consider myself a feminist or at least I do try (even though I admit some of my views about women might be flawed because at the end of the day I'm still a guy. It's like trying to relate to black people as a white person).


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26 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm

^^ I never reported my husband because he threatened to kill me or have me/my family killed if I did so. He knows people. If I could do it over again, I would do things differently, but it’s hard to think straight when you’ve been abused for years and have no support. I was a shell of a person. I don’t think people get that aspect of things. Advocacy and awareness are crucial, and I didn’t have either at the time.


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26 Apr 2024, 7:03 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Sexual violence is underreported for both men and women. Women experience a lot of stigma such as victim-blaming and stuff like that which makes it very difficult to make a report and follow through with it. There can be issues depending on the law enforcement in one’s area too. The perception is that women have it easier when it comes to this stuff, but the perception is an exaggeration of reality.

Many victims don’t make a report because of how daunting and traumatic the process is. That’s true for all genders.



Exactly.

It's not easy for anyone to report. There's a systemic problem with family law where victims are often discredited. I faced it myself when I was told I was "too emotional" and therefore not credible. When I went back to police a second time I was told I was too stoic and therefore not credible. Both times I had visible injuries and a documented history of DV with recorded evidence. Police don't have the necessary training to intervene, as we've seen often in true crime cases like Gabby Petito who was on video with police and eyewitnesses, but was told she was too emotional or that it was even her own fault. Two weeks later she was murdered by her partner. Police now suggest she was the abuser (?!)

I'm not saying it's easier for men, or easier for women. It's not easy for anyone to report, especially if they don't have thousands of dollars in savings. These cases will ultimately be referred to family law and they're very expensive.

It's not always an intimate partner. I know men who are abused by their mothers, and women who are abused by perfect strangers.

Advocacy and awareness are the key.



I'm sorry about what you had to go through Isabella, and you too TwilightPrincess.

I might have been wrong and it really is equally bad for both. My mom hae also been a victim of abuse not just by her ex husband but by her own mother too.

Abuse and stalking ia just a terrible thing and society should really should have more empathy for the victims of both genders.

And im sorry if some of the things I was saying came across as insensitive.


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26 Apr 2024, 7:06 pm

I have no bias toward men or women.
My brother was abused by his second wife who tried to poison him.
I was SA by women (and men) myself.

I have empathy for all people, and I promote equality.
That's what feminism means.


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26 Apr 2024, 7:07 pm

^ I echo RDF's sentiment in that I am regretful for anything that has come across as insensitive.

Nobody is downplaying your trauma/received abuse, TP.

My comments in response to RDF were general, as I am sure you will know/not aimed at yourself.



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26 Apr 2024, 7:08 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I have no bias toward men or women.
My brother was abused by his second wife who tried to poison him.
I was SA by women (and men) myself.

I have empathy for all people, and I promote equality.
That's what feminism means.


You're absolutely right, my sister tells me the same thing about equality and feminism because she too respects both genders.


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26 Apr 2024, 7:10 pm

Feminism:

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belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism


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26 Apr 2024, 7:12 pm

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Sexual violence is underreported for both men and women. Women experience a lot of stigma such as victim-blaming and stuff like that which makes it very difficult to make a report and follow through with it. There can be issues depending on the law enforcement in one’s area too. The perception is that women have it easier when it comes to this stuff, but the perception is an exaggeration of reality.

Many victims don’t make a report because of how daunting and traumatic the process is. That’s true for all genders.



Exactly.

It's not easy for anyone to report. There's a systemic problem with family law where victims are often discredited. I faced it myself when I was told I was "too emotional" and therefore not credible. When I went back to police a second time I was told I was too stoic and therefore not credible. Both times I had visible injuries and a documented history of DV with recorded evidence. Police don't have the necessary training to intervene, as we've seen often in true crime cases like Gabby Petito who was on video with police and eyewitnesses, but was told she was too emotional or that it was even her own fault. Two weeks later she was murdered by her partner. Police now suggest she was the abuser (?!)

I'm not saying it's easier for men, or easier for women. It's not easy for anyone to report, especially if they don't have thousands of dollars in savings. These cases will ultimately be referred to family law and they're very expensive.

It's not always an intimate partner. I know men who are abused by their mothers, and women who are abused by perfect strangers.

Advocacy and awareness are the key.

I'm sorry about what you had to go through Isabella, and you too TwilightPrincess.

Hugs!

I’m sorry about what you went through too.


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26 Apr 2024, 7:16 pm

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Feminism:
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belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism


Very true definition. I think the problem today though is that there's people confusing feminism with things like misandry (the hatred of men) or philogny (the obsessive admiration of women). Both these ways of thinking are very harmful to what feminism is really about.


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26 Apr 2024, 7:18 pm

Here's what I posted with regard to men and DV.

I'm not going to link the thread, out of respect for the OP who may not wish to be part of this discussion.


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I'm so sorry to hear this was happening to you all that time. You were gaslit with psychological abuse, implied physical abuse, and you developed trauma from the relationship, regardless of who was harming you. The common denominator for people in abusive relationships with partners, whether DV or IPV, is that the abused person is rendered helpless for any number of reasons. One of the most damning is that they aren't always believed. That happened to me because of my autism. If I went to police calmly I was dismissed because I was too calm and had a flat affect. If I went to police crying or having a meltdown from fear, they said I was hysterical. I couldn't go to a shelter because I owned the house and couldn't surrender it to them as an asset. Police wouldn't evict them unless I paid lawyers, which ended up costing me half a million dollars over 25 years.

Sorry to rant about my thing but I want you to know I sympathise. Abused men are often too terrified to report what has happened, and I understand that. You're helpless to defend yourself. I know a 300 pound man who is abused physically and emotionally by his tiny, disabled mother. He won't lift a finger to fight back because of the size and gender difference. He knows police and the law likely won't believe him. My brother's second wife tried to kill him with poisons which were finally detected in hair samples, as he grew increasingly ill and saw a battery of medical specialists who couldn't figure it out. People can be freaking nuts, regardless of their demographic in society. Likewise, all people can be and often are abused.

The take-away here is that it's not your fault and we believe you. You don't need to hide your story behind spoilers for fear of offending anyone. Have you been in touch with any support services for survivors of abuse? Have you talked to your doctor, or anyone, at this point? Doctors need to be confidential so that's a good place to start and they can probably refer you to psychological services or even victims' services in your area.

Here are some links to WP threads on this topic, and some for domestic violence support for all people, including men.

You've taken that first step of speaking out, and now you know you aren't alone.

Big hugs, and keep us informed of how you're doing.



viewtopic.php?f=35&t=401564&p=8928966&hilit=PTSD+men%27s+sexual+assault#p8928966


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=398728&hilit=Autistic+Men


https://www.thehotline.org/resources/me ... abuse-too/


https://www.gabbypetitofoundation.org/


https://www.helpguide.org/articles/abus ... abused.htm


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26 Apr 2024, 8:50 pm

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My mom was a victim of abuse and stalking from her ex husband, but I know a couple of men who are also victims of abuse from their wives/girlfriends.

I personally think in a way women who abuse their men are even worst. For one thing it's not like men who are victims of abuse have anyone to advocate for their rights. I mean have you ever even heard of a domestic violence shelter that welcomed men? Because I sure have not!


There is definitely a stigma for men in regards to discussing this kind of thing, especially with authorities.

That is certainly an issue for sure, sure statistically women face more sexual violence than men...but as a society there should still be better efforts to provide help and support to the men it does happen to. Also, I think sexism plays a role in sometimes men may feel more ashamed about reporting it. Like sometimes people act like a guy should enjoy unwanted sexual advances from a woman, and often times its men saying stuff like that to other guys who have felt uncomfortable with an unwanted advance.

But its sexist to act like men cannot feel violated...or that women can never be sexual predators.


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26 Apr 2024, 8:59 pm

^

I agree.

Men are also abused by other men.
That's another whole level of shame.
My partner has been going through hell from it.


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26 Apr 2024, 9:01 pm

RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Feminism:
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belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism


Very true definition. I think the problem today though is that there's people confusing feminism with things like misandry (the hatred of men) or philogny (the obsessive admiration of women). Both these ways of thinking are very harmful to what feminism is really about.

I mean part of feminism is addressing sexism, which also harms men...like its good if now its seen as good for women to hold jobs to, but there can be a bit of dissing on things like a stay at home dad if the mom is more of the breadwinner. Like when in reality if a couple with kids can afford to have one of them stay at home, does it really matter if its the mom or dad. Like the way I see it the things feminism wants to dismantle are also things that hurt men as well. To be sure some people think feminism is just misandry, and it doesn't help that there are some online like toxic femininity crap that gets confused with feminism.


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26 Apr 2024, 9:05 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
TwilightPrincess wrote:
Feminism:
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belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism


Very true definition. I think the problem today though is that there's people confusing feminism with things like misandry (the hatred of men) or philogny (the obsessive admiration of women). Both these ways of thinking are very harmful to what feminism is really about.
Like the way I see it the things feminism wants to dismantle are also things that hurt men as well.

Yes, that’s the case with many issues feminists are concerned about like intimate partner violence and sexual violence.


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26 Apr 2024, 9:47 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
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My mom was a victim of abuse and stalking from her ex husband, but I know a couple of men who are also victims of abuse from their wives/girlfriends.

I personally think in a way women who abuse their men are even worst. For one thing it's not like men who are victims of abuse have anyone to advocate for their rights. I mean have you ever even heard of a domestic violence shelter that welcomed men? Because I sure have not!


There is definitely a stigma for men in regards to discussing this kind of thing, especially with authorities.

It’s not easy for women either. That is a common misconception.


I don't think he's denying that there's a stigma in general, only that it's multiplied as a man because of social expectations. Men are expected to handle their conflicts on their own, reaching out for help (especially against a physically lesser foe) is inherently emasculating given that expectation.

As a man, you're not supposed to be able to get beaten up by a girl. If you've heard that attitude from the day you were born until some day during adulthood when it happens, that's an additional source of shame. And if she somehow isn't a physically lesser foe, that's still on you as a man because that will just be judged as an additional failing as a man.

Even a larger woman who is the victim of domestic abuse from a smaller woman probably hasn't spent her whole life having it drilled into her head that there's something specifically shameful about getting beaten up by a girl given that she's one too.

I think you sometimes dismiss and downplay the impacts of these attitudes because they're not something you've had to internalize.


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