The New Political Christianity

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The New Political Christianity

Western civilisation has not succeeded because its liberal and secular principles are Christian; it has succeeded because Western Christians have accepted its liberal and secular values.

https://quillette.com/2024/06/30/the-ne ... istianity/

Well the truly difficult pill for some people to swallow is Christianity started out as an ancient cult...and the same could be said for most religions most likely.

I get religion was important for the development of humanity to explain things they didn't have the science for yet. But it is still all primitive cultish behavior. And the sooner the world realizes that the better. It's 2024 as a society we do not need religion. People should be able to choose to have faith in a higher power or whatever, if they want but it has no business in legislation or the government.

Like nowdays religion seems ok in the sense if someone gets a positive placebo effect from it, then I have no issue...just don't try to force it on me...realize it's a personal thing for you, and these days its impolite to try and convert everyone you meet. Like idk I don't believe in crystal/rock magic but I still sometimes carry one around for a placebo effect to make me feel better. Cause I can still trick my brain into 'maybe this works' and that is all you need for a bit of placebo effect.

The article doesnt seem to be about, what you would expect, which is the rise of American Christian nationalism among grassroots folks in the Bible Belt.

Its about the international cadre of commentators, like Peterson and Ali (the Somali lady who famously defected from Islam and then sometime later claimed to have converted to Christianity) who want us all to return to "Christian values" but... never talk about Christ (and any relationship they might have him) themselves. And more important...want governments to be openly Christian in legislation.

Maybe these sorts should ...just say they are reviving and returning to Deism. The creed of the Founding Fathers in the late 18th century. Belief in a Christian type god that will judge you in the afterlife but isnt exactly orthodox Christianity.

Those founders still said that christianity/religion should remain separate from government. Even if most of them did believe in some kind of deity they still could see how mixing religion with government is a bad idea.

True.

The Founders weren't very far removed temporally from various European wars where people slaughtered each other over which form of Christianity was correct.

You've got broke pensioners who were convinced to give their last coin to multi-millionaire televangelists who own their own jets and mansions. You have women who are convinced by their pastors to side with the political Right who want to strip women of bodily autonomy.

The plot of the movie 'The Book of Eli' explains this situation well. The good guy tries to cross the wastelands to get the last remaining copy of the bible to safety. The bad guy tries to acquire the book, because one of the few things he remembers from before the collapse was that powerful people got weak people to be willingly compliant and subservient by manipulation of a few verses.

Religious ideology isn't the only problem. Atheist ideology killed tens of millions in Communist countries, and still keeps North Koreans enslaved. The only difference is they need force to control their people. Religious ideology simply has the advantage of willing sheep.

Unless you're a scapegoat.

And they will lose their holy war.

??? Panacea of the Masses..??.

"Then Jesus said to them, 'Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.' And they were amazed at him." -- Mark 12:17 (NIV)

I take this as an implied command to keep politics and religion separate.

Nothing good can happen when the two are mixed.

Yup. In three of the gospels he told his disciples to keep the leven of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herod out of his teachings. In other words, the adulterations of politics and the power of mixing religion and politics.

Well yeah, that is probably why they thought it was important to keep religion out of government. LIke the whole separation of church and state was very important to them. And also nowadays it is very important to us millennials and even people from other generations.

This is from 2022, but this firmly illustrates how Christian Nationalist will go to great lengths to force purity culture on everybody.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/visible-music-college-rape-complaint-rcna26418

It should be important to everyone. Keeping religion out of government is essential to religious freedom. This is so obvious to me that I can't even believe we're having to have this discussion in modern society.

Ryan Walters recent move to put the Bible in schools is an example that should even alarm the bells of conservative Christians. That is because it is now the government deciding which translation of the Bible is taught and how it is interpreted to their children - instead of that being under the purvue of the parents and their sect/church/pastor of choice.

Separation of government is a thing for a reason! Please people, come to your senses!

Conservative Christians have been manipulated for decades to want domination not freedom. But they've also in some Orwellian fashion been taught that domination is freedom. Additionally, fake "historians" like Dave Barton have gotten themselves in high places in conservative Christian circles and spread flagrant lies about how the USA was founded and now a large sector of conservative Christians falsely think that the USA was founded to enforce Christianity by law. It's so blatantly false standing up against the facts of our history, but the truth doesn't seem to matter in this age of disinformation we live in.

I wish there was someway we could turn this all around. The path we're going down does not lead to anything but suffering. I expect it from the leadership. Whatever keeps them in power and money, they'll do, regardless of how reckless it is to everyone's well-being. Their hearts have been turned as black as coal... But, we the people, we should know better. We should see through them.

Almost wish, we had a Autistic Political Arm ....that was on a grand enough scale to oppose, Some of the more militant
Religious people , whom want the Conflation between the Religion and politics . But will not argue that this country (USA) Seems to. have done okay so far. Seeing as the Founding Fathers certainly did not go out of the way.
To exclude religious type principals in some of their documents the founded the Country on .. I think ?

Yet the CNs will cry "persecution!" if they're not allowed to do and say whatever they want, on whatever platform they want, with total impunity.

They want to go online, on LGBT+ advocacy forums, and then recite Leviticus 18:22, use homophobic/transphobic slurs, intentionally misgender/deadname people, and tell people they'll go to hell on those forums, and expect to not be called "bigots" or have other forum members refer to the Abrahamic God as an "imaginary friend" or "sky daddy", or have Christianity referred to as "fairy tales" or "bronze-age superstition".

If any of those things happen, the CNs will claim it as proof of their "persecution".