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07 Oct 2024, 3:38 pm

^It's okay to have goals and to know what you want, I suppose, but that is a very calculating and very disturbing plan for your life. I would seriously consider rethinking it and changing your priorities to something more human-oriented. I don't see a good outcome from this plan.



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07 Oct 2024, 3:45 pm

Having goals if fine, whether they are realistic is another matter. texasmoney knows what he wants.



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07 Oct 2024, 4:00 pm

Has anyone in WP ever successfully negotiated such a sharp, black & white plan?
There seems no allowance for the vicissitudes of life in general, let alone those peculiar to the spectral.
I suspect that if TM doesn't bend a little he'll end up somewhere he won't like.



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07 Oct 2024, 4:03 pm

When I was 20 I wanted to marry a supemodel. Reality eventually kicked in. We men need to learn through experience.



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07 Oct 2024, 8:42 pm

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When I was 20 I wanted to marry a supemodel. Reality eventually kicked in. We men need to learn through experience.

Women can have unrealistic expectations too. Some will compile long lists of requirements in a potential mate. For both men and women meeting the right person immediately evaporates those requirements. But setting them up in the first place is creating a list of obstacles that will make meeting and getting together with the right person much more difficult, especially if those requirements are cold and calculating.



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08 Oct 2024, 2:32 am

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Women can have unrealistic expectations too. Some will compile long lists of requirements in a potential mate. For both men and women meeting the right person immediately evaporates those requirements. But setting them up in the first place is creating a list of obstacles that will make meeting and getting together with the right person much more difficult, especially if those requirements are cold and calculating.


Men can, however, wait and have kids till they are 90+
For women the clock runs out after 35

If kids aren't a factor then yes both genders can make mistakes and learn eventually and not worry about a stopwatch.



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09 Oct 2024, 6:31 am

Class is an interesting topic. Ultimately, I know I will never be in the same class as my parents. The connections they have are in dead or dying industries. Yet, there's also the perception of class. People make assumptions based on how you dress and how you talk. I'm well aware of this, I've been called a toff (a British insult meaning a spoilt rich person basically) and told that I'm too posh 'for a place like this' and that I'm 'not a real local'. Which isn't great, I've even had that during interviews which is very unprofessional. I've tried dressing down a little for more blue-collar type businesses to try to meet their expectations. Yet I still get 'You don't sound like you're from here'. Sometimes this is just people trying to make small talk but there are times when there's judgement. I remember one interviewer was genuinely inquiring because he wasn't used to meeting someone who wasn't born in the area. I suspect the position had already been filled because he was more interested in discussing my home town rather than the role.

It was a little awkward in school when teachers would make blanket statements saying 'Oh, since you're all from here, your ancestors would have done X, Y and Z jobs and would have lived X, Y and Z lives'. I replied once "Um, not all of us, mate".

Yet I also remember interacting with kids as a child who would refuse to talk to such a commoner so whether or not I'm a toff seems to depend on the audience. :lol:

Based on Cyberdad's list, I'm a couch surfer. Although if this keeps up, I'll have to make my way up to Working Poor. I've been looking into renting because my small town doesn't seem to want me here. The amount of interviewers I've had that have asked 'Hey, our last Gen Z employee moved away, how do we know you're not going to do the same?' ...is concerning. I'm a little sick of justifying myself. Congratulations companies, you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy.


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09 Oct 2024, 8:29 am

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I think that class in the US is a much bigger factor than is acknowledged out in the open. Social injustice is largely based in class differences and specifically economic differences. Our society has somewhat fudged and obfuscated the issue by creating the perception that class is more social than economic, so that for instance a college professor can be considered to be in a privileged class even if they don't have much financial security.


It is funny you mention that point. I have personally seen the downfall of professors. Thirty years ago professors had both financial security and respect. Then administrations started replacing professors with part time adjunct instructors to save money. Tenure started to disappear so administrations could enforce more control over the curriculum being taught. Over time, the money side faded from the grasp of professors and the respect is also slowly fading away. Someday in the future the teaching will go to AI and this will be a dead job position.

I know some full-time adjunct professors (with PhDs) at the college level that make less than what starting elementary school teachers do with a bachelors degree. We have lost good professors because they cannot support their families off of what they make teaching at colleges and universities. When asked what I do, I no longer reply about being a professor due to the low respect the job title has here. I just say “I am a chemist who works at a university”. People tend to respect that more than being a chemistry professor. Never thought that would happen. Strange, but true.

The only places that have not felt the above effects are at the Ivy League level. They have enough power to dictate their positions for some time yet. Eventually they too will fall.



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09 Oct 2024, 4:40 pm

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It is funny you mention that point. I have personally seen the downfall of professors. Thirty years ago professors had both financial security and respect. Then administrations started replacing professors with part time adjunct instructors to save money. Tenure started to disappear so administrations could enforce more control over the curriculum being taught. Over time, the money side faded from the grasp of professors and the respect is also slowly fading away. Someday in the future the teaching will go to AI and this will be a dead job position.

I know some full-time adjunct professors (with PhDs) at the college level that make less than what starting elementary school teachers do with a bachelors degree. We have lost good professors because they cannot support their families off of what they make teaching at colleges and universities. When asked what I do, I no longer reply about being a professor due to the low respect the job title has here. I just say “I am a chemist who works at a university”. People tend to respect that more than being a chemistry professor. Never thought that would happen. Strange, but true.

The only places that have not felt the above effects are at the Ivy League level. They have enough power to dictate their positions for some time yet. Eventually they too will fall.


I do not see this trend in Australia or the UK? professor is an earned title (I think in the US a lecturer is referred to as a professor). People respect the title as a person who is an expert in their field.

Secondly professors have tenure, but I think you are referring to the rise in sessional appointments. In Australia we go through cycles between casualisation of the workforce and education unions forcing universities to tenure casual staff. We are currently going through a "fair work" cycle and casual staff are being tenured.

But yes, AI is going to replace teachers eventually. Agree there.



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09 Oct 2024, 5:14 pm

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A lot gets said about age gap relationships. What about when one partner grew up in a poor or "working-class" family but the other's family was upper middle class or wealthy? For heterosexual couples, does it matter which gender has a poor vs. well-to-do upbringing?


I'm poor. I know I would feel weird in a relationship with someone who had a lot of money. It would bug me to not be able to hold my own. Also, no idea where I would meet someone who had money since my town is mostly low income.
It could work fine for a lot of people, I suppose, but for me it would be weird and hard to relate.



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09 Oct 2024, 11:51 pm

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It was a little awkward in school when teachers would make blanket statements saying 'Oh, since you're all from here, your ancestors would have done X, Y and Z jobs and would have lived X, Y and Z lives'. I replied once "Um, not all of us, mate".

British obsession with John Locke's tabula rasa, the idea that one is born with certain behavioural traits if they are from the working class. It amuses me no end when I see first gen Brits in Australia turn from a normal person when they are at your level to becoming a nasty elitist when they get a promotion above you.



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09 Oct 2024, 11:53 pm

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Based on Cyberdad's list, I'm a couch surfer. Although if this keeps up, I'll have to make my way up to Working Poor. I've been looking into renting because my small town doesn't seem to want me here. The amount of interviewers I've had that have asked 'Hey, our last Gen Z employee moved away, how do we know you're not going to do the same?' ...is concerning. I'm a little sick of justifying myself. Congratulations companies, you've created a self-fulfilling prophecy.


Your still one above my daughter. My wife and I refer to her as a gypsy. She would fit right in with the "harfoots" in the Rings of Power or the Gyptians in "His Dark Materials".



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10 Oct 2024, 8:00 am

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It is funny you mention that point. I have personally seen the downfall of professors. Thirty years ago professors had both financial security and respect. Then administrations started replacing professors with part time adjunct instructors to save money. Tenure started to disappear so administrations could enforce more control over the curriculum being taught. Over time, the money side faded from the grasp of professors and the respect is also slowly fading away. Someday in the future the teaching will go to AI and this will be a dead job position.

I know some full-time adjunct professors (with PhDs) at the college level that make less than what starting elementary school teachers do with a bachelors degree. We have lost good professors because they cannot support their families off of what they make teaching at colleges and universities. When asked what I do, I no longer reply about being a professor due to the low respect the job title has here. I just say “I am a chemist who works at a university”. People tend to respect that more than being a chemistry professor. Never thought that would happen. Strange, but true.

The only places that have not felt the above effects are at the Ivy League level. They have enough power to dictate their positions for some time yet. Eventually they too will fall.


I do not see this trend in Australia or the UK? professor is an earned title (I think in the US a lecturer is referred to as a professor). People respect the title as a person who is an expert in their field.

Secondly professors have tenure, but I think you are referring to the rise in sessional appointments. In Australia we go through cycles between casualisation of the workforce and education unions forcing universities to tenure casual staff. We are currently going through a "fair work" cycle and casual staff are being tenured.

But yes, AI is going to replace teachers eventually. Agree there.


In the USA, professors have a ranking. Adjunct professors are part-time, non-tenure instructors. Visiting assistant professors are temporary appointed professors that can become tenure-track under certain conditions. They are equivalent to an assistant professors who is tenure-track. Those who earn tenure can move up rank from assistant. A full professor (tenured) is usually someone who has multiple rank increases and multiple publications/grants under their belts. Professor emeritus are retired tenured professors who still have an office at the university. They might still be allowed to do research while working with a PI. A person can be staff with a professor title while they teach. Universities and colleges are slowly removing tenure positions and replacing them with non-tenure ones due to different reasons.



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11 Oct 2024, 3:32 am

One of the most important thing's class wise for me for a potential spouse is that she needs to be free of bad debt or at least debt-free.We need to have a similar focus and goals when it comes to personal finances.



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11 Oct 2024, 3:43 am

Carbonhalo wrote:
Has anyone in WP ever successfully negotiated such a sharp, black & white plan?
There seems no allowance for the vicissitudes of life in general, let alone those peculiar to the spectral.
I suspect that if TM doesn't bend a little he'll end up somewhere he won't like.

I am willing to marry someone from a unrich family.I just think having a goal of being a single digit millionaire is reasonable because all that realistically means now in today's America is being a teacher or engineer driving a toyota with a paid-off home and a 401k.I realize that marrying someone super rich is unrealistic but I would at least want to marry someone from a similar background as myself.



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11 Oct 2024, 3:44 am

cyberdad wrote:
When I was 20 I wanted to marry a supemodel. Reality eventually kicked in. We men need to learn through experience.

Ya I wanted to marry a model too but then I realized that was unrealistic.Not everything in my list was hard-and-fast rules but rather general guidelines.I would not say having 1 million dollars is rich anymore.I would just call that working to lower-middle class so I dont think thats too much to want.I just want my wife to be good with money.Money fights and money problems are one of the biggest causes of divorce where I live so I just want to increase chances of good and happy marriage.