Canada U.S. Scenarios if the unthinkable becomes reality
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Invading Canada would spark fight lasting decades, expert says
A military move by President Donald Trump could eventually destroy America’s worldwide power, says Dr. Aisha Ahmad, an associate professor at the University of Toronto.
Dr. Ahmad has studied insurgencies and visited many conflict zones for more than 20 years. She sees a pattern of resistance that repeats itself
When a country gets invaded, a growing portion of the people fight back.
Would Canadians do that? You bet we would, Ahmad says. Canadian “niceness” is a myth that would vanish overnight in the face of invasion.
He told Prime Minister Justin Trudeau he considers the agreement invalid. He’s after land, the Great Lakes and access to rivers.
This is the Putin playbook. Claim that you own territory, then take it.
If Canada doesn’t agree to Trump’s mythical new boundary, the next step is sending troops to secure it.
What happens if fighting begins?
“Looking at the sheer size of the American military, many people might believe that Trump would enjoy an easy victory,” Dr. Ahmad wrote in a widely circulated article.
That analysis is dead wrong, she says, because the result would not be determined by a fight between conventional armies.
Trump is delusional if he believes that 40 million Canadians will passively accept conquest without resistance.
“That decision would set in motion an unstoppable cycle of violence. Even if we imagine a scenario in which the Canadian government unconditionally surrenders, a fight would ensue on the streets.
“Even if one per cent of all resisting Canadians engaged in armed insurrection, that would constitute a 400,000-person insurgency, nearly 10 times the size of the Taliban at the start of the Afghan war.”
She states the obvious fact that Canada’s vast territory would be impossible to cover and control, no matter how many troops the U.S. sent.
Canadian Forces loyalists would likely mobilize civilian recruits into guerrilla groups “that could strike, retreat into the wilderness and blend back into the local communities that support them.”
That’s what happened in the French resistance of the Second World War. The fighters were funded and armed largely by the British and Americans.
We wouldn’t be alone today, Ahmad adds. Commonwealth and European allies could provide money and supplies. America’s many enemies would be encouraged to attack at vulnerable spots elsewhere.
Other academics point out that despite our high-minded disdain for U.S. gun culture, Canada ranks among the most heavily armed nations in the world, with an estimated 12.7 million weapons in civilian possession.
First Nations alone could give the Americans a shockingly hard time.
“A chronic violent insurrection in North America could financially and militarily pin down the U.S. for decades, ultimately triggering economic and political collapse,” Ahmad says.
This would give Russia and China “an uncontested rise to power.”
Such a struggle would virtually destroy Canada, too, she concludes.
“No one in their right mind would choose this gruesome future over a peaceful and mutually beneficial alliance with a friendly neighbour.”
We’re getting into overheated hypothetical territory here. But Ahmad’s views on insurgency are backed by history.
The Americans were run out of Vietnam and Afghanistan. The heroes’ welcome they expected in Iraq turned into an eight-year military quagmire.
It’s hard to imagine anything like this coming to our soil.
But now there’s a crazed commander-in-chief down south who says it’s not our soil at all.
Saboteurs won’t have to come across the ocean. There are a few thousand miles of unguarded border with little or no barriers.
The Americans have not in a very long time if ever fought in Canadian type winter.
The biggest problem for both Canada and the United States is that 90 percent of Canada’s population lives within 150 miles of the U.S. border. Presuming Trump does not want to do a Gaza on Canada because what good is a “51st State” without infrastructure there still is going to be a lot of civilian casualties which will stiffen Canadian resolve.
If such a terrible thing were to happen this is how it could plausibly occur. The U.S. and Canada keep one upping each other. It is summer 2025. In a desperate effort to break the stalemate Canada or a Canadian province cuts off electricity. Summer is when demand is at its highest. An extended heat wave results brownouts and rolling blackouts. Trump sends troops into Canada to secure the supply of electricity. The unthinkable is reality.
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It's worth noting that most Canadians live south of the northern parts of the US border. I doubt their winter would really be that much of an issue given how many Americans live in a similar climate. The parts of Canada where it does get extremely cold are ones where there's not much of anything up there to support a military campaign. Roughly 90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US-Canada border, so it's not like the US military would even need to set foot in Canada before things had been softened enough to invade.
Not that that would be even the slightest bit smart as there's tons of Canadians all over the US and for the most part you wouldn't know they were Canadian. And, there are a number of major cities along the US-Canadian border especially a bunch including significant factories. So, I wouldn't assume that it would necessarily be easy.
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Not that that would be even the slightest bit smart as there's tons of Canadians all over the US and for the most part you wouldn't know they were Canadian. And, there are a number of major cities along the US-Canadian border especially a bunch including significant factories. So, I wouldn't assume that it would necessarily be easy.
Most of Canada’s oil is well north of the border.
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Can anyone tell me what country I should flee to when this nightmare comes true? I'm 51 and therefore will have a hard time learning a new language or dealing with extreme culture shock, so I'm thinking the maybe the UK will be the least stressful. I thought New Zealand might be nice, but it's so far away.
Go to New Zealand. The farther away the better. But, people have been fleeing New Zealand.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/ ... ving-bites
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Not that that would be even the slightest bit smart as there's tons of Canadians all over the US and for the most part you wouldn't know they were Canadian. And, there are a number of major cities along the US-Canadian border especially a bunch including significant factories. So, I wouldn't assume that it would necessarily be easy.
Most of Canada’s oil is well north of the border.
Fair point there, but without the support resources that come from the factories, farms and the rest closer to the border, it would be hard to defend that stuff.
That being said, I saw a video of Elon practically crying about what's happening to his businesses, so I'm not sure that the madness is going to go on much longer.
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It won't.
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A different scenario that what has been presented so far. Video length is 26 minutes and 37 seconds.
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Actually, statehood for Canada might be beneficial.
Why haven’t the Republicans thought this through? Canada has roughly 40 million people - about the same population as California. If Canada became the 51st state (there’s a good argument that, given its size it should be the 51st and 52nd state and perhaps even more) they would immediately elect two Senators to represent them in Congress. Canada has a history of voting for laws and social programs that are very progressive - far more in line with Democrats than Republicans. Canada has abortion rights, gun control, universal health care, a significantly higher minimum wage than the U.S., and more (things Democrats favor and Republicans routinely vote against). Canada would almost certainly immediately send two Democratic Senators to Washington (more if they were admitted as more than one state). The situation in the House of Representatives is a little different. Membership in the House is capped at 435 apportioned by population among the existing 50 states. The addition of another state as large as California would require a massive reapportionment of the seats in the House. The end result would be that red or Republican states would lose representatives in the House and Canada would gain them. Again, Canada would overwhelmingly send Democrats to the House of Representatives. This massive shift in power would change the makeup of Congress with Democrats cementing a control on power for years to come. You can’t admit a state to the Union and not give them the Senators and members of the House that they are entitled to under the basic principles of the Constitution.
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Why haven’t the Republicans thought this through? Canada has roughly 40 million people - about the same population as California. If Canada became the 51st state (there’s a good argument that, given its size it should be the 51st and 52nd state and perhaps even more) they would immediately elect two Senators to represent them in Congress. Canada has a history of voting for laws and social programs that are very progressive - far more in line with Democrats than Republicans. Canada has abortion rights, gun control, universal health care, a significantly higher minimum wage than the U.S., and more (things Democrats favor and Republicans routinely vote against). Canada would almost certainly immediately send two Democratic Senators to Washington (more if they were admitted as more than one state). The situation in the House of Representatives is a little different. Membership in the House is capped at 435 apportioned by population among the existing 50 states. The addition of another state as large as California would require a massive reapportionment of the seats in the House. The end result would be that red or Republican states would lose representatives in the House and Canada would gain them. Again, Canada would overwhelmingly send Democrats to the House of Representatives. This massive shift in power would change the makeup of Congress with Democrats cementing a control on power for years to come. You can’t admit a state to the Union and not give them the Senators and members of the House that they are entitled to under the basic principles of the Constitution.
And that's why Trump wants to invade Canada first to squash the progressiveness within. The oligarchy can't have that.
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Simply Canada would not become a state, it would become a territory. The cold, calculating Republicans that have gotten us to this awful point in USA history would never allow for taking over Canada to be a plus for the left.
Besides, lets make it clear: There is no "plus" in this idea of taking over Canada. Absolutely none. It would end up in a long, violent conflict (like the Russian invasion of Ukraine at best with world war being likely) with tons of lives lost for absolutely no reason, and if the USA were successful in taking over Canada then an autonomous nation would now fall under the dictatorship of the USA and it would be an awful time for everyone. It's awful enough that the USA has fallen to Trump and the Christofascists. Let Canada be free.
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It makes sense for Trump to tariff Canada since China will obviously try and use a country like Canada as a medium to ship cheap goods into the United States through, in the same way that China is trying to move many of their chip plants and other facilities to countries like Cambodia and Singapore to get around Trump's tariffs (that according to liberal propaganda only the American domestic consumer is paying for... hahaha)
It also definitely makes sense though for Trump to start doing punishing Tariffs on Canada to get them to drop the woke and get them to get in-line with the new North American system that's frankly and hopefully going to be built around MAGA social-conservatism, and it's already gotten Justin Trudeau off of the catwalk.
I think it makes sense if there's going to be a successful MAGA system in the USA, there can't be such a hostile "Woke" power like Canada still operating like this in America's own backyard, that's already said it's going to do targeted retaliatory tariffs on red-state voters and measures like this just to try and get Trump out (thus showing it's true hand and the true nature of this fight... and which is also going to fail)... but like I said, Trump putting tariffs on Canada will force Carney-barker into a higher state of stress, which puts the liberal regime in Canada under higher tension and all this, which eventually makes it to where Canada may ultimately fall like a ripe fruit into the Trumpian-MAGA-conservative system in some time.
It also definitely makes sense though for Trump to start doing punishing Tariffs on Canada to get them to drop the woke and get them to get in-line with the new North American system that's frankly and hopefully going to be built around MAGA social-conservatism, and it's already gotten Justin Trudeau off of the catwalk.
I think it makes sense if there's going to be a successful MAGA system in the USA, there can't be such a hostile "Woke" power like Canada still operating like this in America's own backyard, that's already said it's going to do targeted retaliatory tariffs on red-state voters and measures like this just to try and get Trump out (thus showing it's true hand and the true nature of this fight... and which is also going to fail)... but like I said, Trump putting tariffs on Canada will force Carney-barker into a higher state of stress, which puts the liberal regime in Canada under higher tension and all this, which eventually makes it to where Canada may ultimately fall like a ripe fruit into the Trumpian-MAGA-conservative system in some time.
So Canada would be better off with the United States healthcare system? Don't make me laugh.
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