Genocide is an integral part of Jewish faith: convince me

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07 May 2025, 2:51 pm

Convince me otherwise

(And yes, holy war /slavery / forced conversion is part of Islam too, which is very inspired from Judaism as a whole but that's another topic, so no whataboutism please)

It's not surprising to see many Jews are very unempathetic for what is going on in Gaza.

After all, genocide is part of Judaism.

Judaism teaches that God is willing to destroy all Jews' enemies, elederly, children and women alike in many instances:
- The Flood: killing all the unbelievers and the wicked.
- Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah: God destroys these cities for their wickedness.
- The Canaanite Conquest: God commands Israel to destroy several Canaanite nations during their conquest of the Promised Land.
- The Ten Plagues of Egypt: especially the one that killed every firstborn in Egypt, just for his people's sake.
- Amalekites: God commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, and animals.
- Midianites: Moses commands the Israelites to kill all Midianite men and later, all women and boys, sparing only virgin girls.

So it's very normal that many devout Jews, especially Israelis, that would just shrug about the genocide happening in Gaza, they may be even do it without much thinking about it; it's ingrained in the biblical upgringing.

After all Hamas is equivalent to today's Pharaoh, and the siege, the famine and killing of their "subjects" just parralell the plagues. Gazians may also be viewed as the "wicked" (especially after seeing how many celebrating the attacks of 7th October in the streets) ; paralleling many passages of the bible.



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07 May 2025, 4:33 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:


Judaism teaches that God is willing to destroy all Jews' enemies, elederly, children and women alike in many instances:
- The Flood: killing all the unbelievers and the wicked.
- Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah: God destroys these cities for their wickedness.
- The Canaanite Conquest: God commands Israel to destroy several Canaanite nations during their conquest of the Promised Land.
- The Ten Plagues of Egypt: especially the one that killed every firstborn in Egypt, just for his people's sake.
- Amalekites: God commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, and animals.
- Midianites: Moses commands the Israelites to kill all Midianite men and later, all women and boys, sparing only virgin girls.



This board seems rather touchy about perceived racism, but just to get in a thought before the thread is locked:

The above examples are all pre-Judaism. The flood myth in the Bible, for example, probably derived from Mesopotamia. Nothing at all to do with Judaism.

Judaism proper, I think, got started during the Second Temple era. You don't have any examples from that time or later.


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08 May 2025, 3:01 am

Honey69 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:


Judaism teaches that God is willing to destroy all Jews' enemies, elederly, children and women alike in many instances:
- The Flood: killing all the unbelievers and the wicked.
- Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah: God destroys these cities for their wickedness.
- The Canaanite Conquest: God commands Israel to destroy several Canaanite nations during their conquest of the Promised Land.
- The Ten Plagues of Egypt: especially the one that killed every firstborn in Egypt, just for his people's sake.
- Amalekites: God commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, and animals.
- Midianites: Moses commands the Israelites to kill all Midianite men and later, all women and boys, sparing only virgin girls.



This board seems rather touchy about perceived racism, but just to get in a thought before the thread is locked:

The above examples are all pre-Judaism. The flood myth in the Bible, for example, probably derived from Mesopotamia. Nothing at all to do with Judaism.

Judaism proper, I think, got started during the Second Temple era. You don't have any examples from that time or later.



Judaism is a religion, not a race.

Yes, they are often considered an ethnoreligious group; but the topic is about the religion itself.



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08 May 2025, 4:37 am

Judaism is a very tribal religion. The situation of Israelites in the first 5 books of the Bible seems to be of a tribe following a particular god and they come into conflict with other tribes following other gods. And both their god and the other gods are equally real, but the words of the Bible command the Israelites to only follow their one God.

The omnipotent universal God that appears in the Creation story at the beginning of the Bible probably arises from a time many centuries after Moses/Musa presumably lived.

People at that stage of societal development didn't really worry about what happened to their enemies. Kill them before they kill you.


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08 May 2025, 5:43 am

FYI - While nobody has gone here before on WP that I can recall the OP has not violated WP rules
as criticism of a religion is allowed. What is not allowed is saying negative things about people who practice a particular faith as a group.

Is it your opinion that the Jewish religion is uniquely genocidal?


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08 May 2025, 6:49 am

Genocide and other forms of violence are endorsed and glorified in the Hebrew Scriptures, especially in the Torah. It’s the most immoral collection of books I have ever read. Some seem to be desensitized and corrupted by it in one way or another.


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08 May 2025, 7:05 am

Honey69 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:


Judaism teaches that God is willing to destroy all Jews' enemies, elederly, children and women alike in many instances:
- The Flood: killing all the unbelievers and the wicked.
- Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah: God destroys these cities for their wickedness.
- The Canaanite Conquest: God commands Israel to destroy several Canaanite nations during their conquest of the Promised Land.
- The Ten Plagues of Egypt: especially the one that killed every firstborn in Egypt, just for his people's sake.
- Amalekites: God commands Saul to destroy the Amalekites, including men, women, children, and animals.
- Midianites: Moses commands the Israelites to kill all Midianite men and later, all women and boys, sparing only virgin girls.



This board seems rather touchy about perceived racism.


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08 May 2025, 9:16 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
FYI - While nobody has gone here before on WP that I can recall the OP has not violated WP rules
as criticism of a religion is allowed.


Exactly.

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What is not allowed is saying negative things about people who practice a particular faith as a group.


Can you deny, for instance, that Islamic terrorism isn't derived from the religion itself?

The genocial intent we are seeing in the Israeli community at the moment certainly didn't come from void.


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Is it your opinion that the Jewish religion is uniquely genocidal?


Not really.



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08 May 2025, 9:20 am

MaxE wrote:
People at that stage of societal development didn't really worry about what happened to their enemies. Kill them before they kill you.


Nothing changed much I say.



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08 May 2025, 4:11 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MaxE wrote:
People at that stage of societal development didn't really worry about what happened to their enemies. Kill them before they kill you.


Nothing changed much I say.

30 years ago I might not have agreed.


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08 May 2025, 4:14 pm

I can't fault your argument.


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09 May 2025, 9:12 am

This discussion still hasn't been locked?

Anyway, one should bear in mind that Judaism exists on a spectrum. Some are violently Zionist. Others advocate strongly for the peaceful dismantling of the Jewish state.

Reading the Biblical fairy tales isn't necessarily going to make anyone violent, any more than playing certain video games will necessarily turn anyone into a mass killer.


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09 May 2025, 9:27 am

People don’t claim that the action in video games is based on some sort of historical fact or divine justification, though. Genocide in the Bible is commanded by an allegedly just and good god. In my experience, this sort of stuff can mess with people’s moral compass.

I’ve seen perfectly normal people, like my parents, in my former Christian community abuse their kids due to scriptures like Proverbs 23:13. That’s a bit off-topic, but I think it illustrates the power holy books have when people believe they are more than just books.

Video games are just video games, except for the Zelda franchise, obviously.


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09 May 2025, 10:13 am

Honey69 wrote:
This discussion still hasn't been locked?

Anyway, one should bear in mind that Judaism exists on a spectrum. Some are violently Zionist. Others advocate strongly for the peaceful dismantling of the Jewish state.

Reading the Biblical fairy tales isn't necessarily going to make anyone violent, any more than playing certain video games will necessarily turn anyone into a mass killer.


Why would it be locked? We're allowed to criticize religions.


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09 May 2025, 3:19 pm

Honey69 wrote:
This discussion still hasn't been locked?

Criticizing a religion is allowed under WP rules. Criticizing all people who follow a faith is not allowed.


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09 May 2025, 3:40 pm

Religion especially the fundamentalist parts have a long history of violence. IMHO religion is and always has been a central part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yes Nationalism and bigotry are important factors. Yes not all Palestinians are Muslim and not all Israelis are Jews. We in the west largely downplay the Jewish vs Islam aspect.


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