Israeli nationalists chant ‘death to Arabs’ in Jerusalem

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https://apnews.com/article/israel-pales ... 50d1b3a552

Odd thing is that most everyone on that continent used to be generally referred to as Arabs..

Jews and Arabs are, in principle, cousins.

History generally presents Jews as innocent victims. I've never seen anything that seemed at all like a legitimate excuse for antisemitism in Europe. Nothing like marching around and calling for non-Jews to be murdered.

Last edited by Cornflake on 27 May 2025, 4:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.: Removed some victim blaming

They just want living-room and feel entitled to kill the lesser-men to get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEiL_5h14pY

I didn't know that there were Jews who were intent on rebuilding the old temple. I had thought that they were anticipating God to do the construction.

I wonder if the are planning to bring back the animal sacrifices?

It's worth a little look in the mirror

Israel follows the same laws as the USA in regard to incitement to ethnic and racial hatred. word for word except...
In Israel, incitement to racial hatred is a criminal offense, punishable by law. The Knesset, the Israeli parliament, has passed laws that prioritize stopping incitement to racism over freedom of speech. These laws define incitement to racism as an act intended to incite violence or discrimination against a person or group based on their race, religion, nationality, or ethnic origin.

the underlined part shows Israel is more advanced than the US where the latter prioritise freedom of speech.

But Israel and the US share a systemic problem, both police and Judiciary in Israel and US are dominated by the majority. In Israel that's largely european Jews and in the the US, whites.

So prosecuting racial hate speech in both the US and Israel is often overlooked by a sympathetic policeforce and judiciary. I've seen equally disgusting language used in the US, not just by hate groups, but trump supporters, media, politicians and school bullies and their parents where the perps hide behind the first amendment.

Matthew 7:3-5 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

^ Do you have anything to say about this particular incident? Did you read the article? Or is this an attempt to get the discussion off-track with whataboutery? The topic is very clearly outlined in the title. It’s not about the US.

Unless we ourselves are engaging in hate speech there’s nothing hypocritical about discussing incidents of it occurring. I’d also like to say that quoting the Bible as some authority is unlikely to be very compelling to many rational thinkers on WP, not that I want to get this discussion further off the important topic of the Israeli nationalists who chanted “Death to Arabs” in Jerusalem.

An argument could be formed that women in the video represents a racist minority. that such people exist in Israel is no more shocking than the minority of white Americans who want POC thrown out of America due to the great replacement theory.

Perhaps it's important not make generalisations about Israeli nationalists who love Israel (what exactly is wrong with that?) Vs Israeli racists who are inciting violence.

You can't in good faith make that argument, something like 94% of Israelis support the genocide. It literally would not be going on in such a public way of it were just a racist minority. It may not have been as popular with Germans during the Holocaust due to there being at least some ambiguity about what happened after the trains and the related plausible deniability that that allowed. This is being done very publicly with the IDF itself filming and distributing the films of a lot of criminal activity. Nobody in Israel is over any illusion about what's going on. And the majority supports it

^^^ Polls are all over the place. if you frame a question in one way and change one word you can make more than a marginal difference to a polling result.

Since Oct 7 naturally many Israelis are angry at Palestinians and when you live under constant siege conditions (as most Israelis do) it becomes hard to know (from personal safety for your family) where Hamas ends and mainstream Palestinians begin.

But I find it hard to believe a majority of Israelis would openly support killing all Arabs. It's not a nation of psychopaths. Perhaps somebody in the Arab world could convince HAMAS to release the remaining 55 Israeli and foreigners hostages and it would go a long way for changing Israeli views about peace and atone for the deaths of 55,000 Palestinians which HAMAS knowingly triggered (HAMAS are equally to blame as the IDF).

It would also be helpful if the Arab world stopped with "Death to Israel" and "holy war" nonsense as that's just as irrational as the Jewish woman saying death to Arabs. Israel is going to be around for the next 1000 years. I am not so sure Gaza will be? It's in the Palestinians interest to stop relying on HAMAS to solve their problems. It clearly hasn't worked.
Give Peace a chance.

Citing a factual news article is not making generalizations. It’s just reporting on current events which seems important given the ongoing atrocity. With that being said, I will say that I’m highly critical of nationalism. It’s not hard to see how it would often lead to racism and other issues, no matter the country involved.This s**t didn’t begin with Oct. 7th, though. I think it’s crucial for a colonizer’s psyche to have some sort of justifications for their attitudes and behavior. With colonization, it’s pretty easy to come up with justifications because people will resist and fight back. Eventually one conveniently forgets the initial aggression and mostly remembers the reaction to it. One builds up animosity that way. Oct. 7th will be the convenient focus for a long time even though the data shows ongoing oppression and piss-poor attitudes and behavior before then - going back many decades. Going back many decades, there have been far more casualties as well as many human rights violations committed by Israel.
No, Hamas is not equally to blame for the deaths of 55,000 people. That’s absurd. Releasing a few hostages wouldn’t atone for the deaths anyway.
More whataboutery with some victim-blaming thrown into the mix. Claiming that Palestinians were relying on Hamas to solve their problems is both generalizing and a gross oversimplification of a very complex topic.

They very clearly support it or it wouldn't be done openly with the IDF intentionally releasing videos of them purposefully destroying Palestinian homes. This is a level of evil that even the Nazis never managed.

Israel regularly intentionally murders civilians and arrests children. They refer to all of them as combatants, but the Israelis that Hamas seizes are always hostages.

This is very clearly something that the Israeli people support. Bibi is doing it because of her stops he'll be voted out of office.

It's a shame how defenders of Israel refuse to look at the evidence and just rely on their feelings. They feel Israelis wouldn't engage in genocide, so the genocide isn't actually happening, regardless of all evidence to the contrary.

You can't discuss the issue in good faith with people who think their imagination is a better source of information than actual reporting. Give peace a chance they exclaim, while Israel makes peace all but impossible. They're useful idiots for genocidal monsters. What do they offer besides useless platitudes?

At this point, what they're doing is completely beyond any sort of decency, so those making the excuses have to go further and further into denial to do so. There really is no good faith argument to have here that the Israelis aren't the problem here. Whether directly by people a part of the IDF or indirectly by supporting and voting for the policies. Even those of us in the US do not have completely clean hands as the government here is aiding and abetting it.

^^^ I have always maintained that you have to look at this now perpetual conflict from both sides. Simply putting Israeli citizens perspectives into the dustbin is not constructive, especially when they elect governments.

this thread is about some Israeli nationalists calling for "death to arabs" as reflecting wider Israeli views. Really? so when some Americans called for "bombing the crap out of Arabs" following 9-11 it was seen as a reaction to terrorism not reflecting mainstream American values. that's my point, Israeli patriotism is not fascism and comparisons to German Nazism is (in my view) wildly inappropriate.

You can't help people on both sides who say "god ordained this land" or "allah is with us". But it might help in calibrating the tone of this thread that ethno-nationalism is not the same as patriotism. Many young Israelis are proud to serve to protect their country, family and loved ones. while I strongly disagree with killing Palestinian civilians (and yes, Netanyahu is a war criminal) conflating Israeli patriotism with fascism is falling for what HAMAS planned all along. to instigate a heavy handed response from the IDF and make Israel lose international support. From that perspective it's a wildly successful tactical victory for HAMAS.

Netanyahu has also fear mongered for a long time so naturally Israelis are scared. that some say stupid things about Arabs doesn't mean you can't win over the rest of the Israeli people and prove that it's possible for their children to live in safety and peace. But that requires assurances of peace from Gaza and the west bank.

If Israelis wish to live in peace, they should stop trying to steal Palestine by force and go home. They're the aggressor. They're the antagonist. If they want peace, just like Russians, they need to stop being the aggressor and go back home.

Israel complaining about HAMAS (and other resistance groups) is like a burglar complaining that the home owners dog bit them.