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06 Sep 2007, 4:11 pm

ok 4 years ago i was convinced there was no god and probably an athiest, then a year or so later i started getting into Aliens, zacheria sitchen, and the sumerians and thought ETs made man, i guess you could say i was trying to take a educated guess approach, then a year or so later i started reading the books that didnt make it into the bible and started thinking jesus was god but wasnt a christian, now im back into the alien thing checking out the watchers. and am leaning more twords an alien intervention or that they speed up our evolution process, by giving us somekindof forbidden knowlege.

anyone else flipflop this bad when it comes to questioning there own faith/spirituality?


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06 Sep 2007, 4:55 pm

I used to be Athiest but now I believe in The Great Cat God.



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06 Sep 2007, 5:11 pm

richardbenson wrote:
anyone else flipflop this bad when it comes to questioning there own faith/spirituality?


My history is:

religious -> agnostic -> atheist

Though I accept the reality that the Universe might cycle itself and at the end of each cycling God may have evolved. And God has tried perhaps and infinite number of times to pass knowledge to the next iteration of the Universe and likely failed.



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06 Sep 2007, 5:31 pm

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I used to be Athiest but now I believe in The Great Cat God.

With that avatar I thought you were Quatermass :P


In my case:
religious -> confused -> agnostic -> don't know what's next. Maybe scientologist? kidding.

I didn't go as far as the alien things, I am not entirely skeptical about aliens, just agnostic about them as well. I'm not refering to their existence, I mean about the claims of being visited by them.


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06 Sep 2007, 5:31 pm

When I was very little I had a rudimentary, but important, faith in God and the ten commandments. When I was a teenager I believed in God and thought of Jesus as a misunderstood prophet.

At age 15-17 I was into New Age and some sort of Neo-Paganism/Satanism, that was just because I was depressed and hated myself and almost everybody else. When I was 17-18 I tried to be a Christian fundamentalist, but had to reject that sort of faith simply because it had no rational basis. I decided to be a good Lutheran like my mother and my grandparents. Now I find myself slowly changing towards Arianism or some other form of non-trinitarian Christianity...

That's my story.



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06 Sep 2007, 8:31 pm

I've considered the alien thing a possibility, a lot of people seem to think I'm crazy for suggesting that but honestly almost all the major religions could be viewed as UFO cover-ups. "Miracles" of coarse being way far advanced technology. Perhaps we're some sort of expirement, a race of lab rats. But this is all just theory, it's not something I solidly believe in, I just keep my mind open to the possibility.



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06 Sep 2007, 8:41 pm

richardbenson wrote:
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anyone else flipflop this bad when it comes to questioning there own faith/spirituality?


I think I've got you beat on flip-flopping, but (judging from your picture), I think I am also a bit older than you.



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06 Sep 2007, 10:54 pm

just like with every other crazy idea about our origins...show me the proof. until then, you're just another nut with some invisible friend.



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06 Sep 2007, 11:14 pm

you do know that this thead wasnt made to convince you of believing anything right


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06 Sep 2007, 11:25 pm

skafather84 wrote:
just another nut with some invisible friend.


Most people believe in invisible friends so thats makes us atheist the nuts. :) Insanity by definition can not apply to a trait seen in most people.



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06 Sep 2007, 11:39 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
just another nut with some invisible friend.


Most people believe in invisible friends so thats makes us atheist the nuts. :) Insanity by definition can not apply to a trait seen in most people.



yes it can. it's mass hysteria. many people are convinced by others around them to believe something despite reality saying otherwise.

it's just like in that episode of house where they're stuck on the plane and everyone starts to show the symptoms because someone overheard it and it spread like that and everyone was convinced it was some contagious disease.



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06 Sep 2007, 11:44 pm

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yes it can. it's mass hysteria. many people are convinced by others around them to believe something despite reality saying otherwise.

it's just like in that episode of house where they're stuck on the plane and everyone starts to show the symptoms because someone overheard it and it spread like that and everyone was convinced it was some contagious disease.


I think I've never heard of that TV show. Anyway have fun explaining that to the guys in whites suites strapping you down in the rubber room that they are the crazy ones. :lol:



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06 Sep 2007, 11:45 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
yes it can. it's mass hysteria. many people are convinced by others around them to believe something despite reality saying otherwise.

it's just like in that episode of house where they're stuck on the plane and everyone starts to show the symptoms because someone overheard it and it spread like that and everyone was convinced it was some contagious disease.


I think I've never heard of that TV show. Anyway have fun explaining that to the guys in whites suites strapping you down in the rubber room that they are the crazy ones. :lol:



it's not that hard to explain.



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06 Sep 2007, 11:57 pm

so skafather i doubt anyones asking you what you think is contagious or not, but rather have you ever been a flipflopper in your beliefs?


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07 Sep 2007, 12:28 am

I don't think I've ever considered myself a flipflopper. Looking for a little information, yes. I suppose I have nailed myself to some kind of label in the past, but I got by it. Now I just look at it as, I think it's pure human ego to even think for a second we can comprehend it. What a pitiful thing we have for a mind. Who am I to think there isn't something beyond my (our) comprehension. Someone spouting some ego driven belief is, lol, human. It is, as it is and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it. Fun to look at and I do.

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07 Sep 2007, 8:30 am

Ok, maybe some people don't like the term 'flip-flop' because of the cultural context ... let me rephrase. I like trying on new ideas like new clothes - for all areas of life, including philosophy and religion. And when I get tired of an outfit, I change it. Over time, I have found some things simply are not flattering on me, and I avoid those.

In this metaphor, is atheism like being a nudist? You are the ones claiming we are all emperor's and all have no clothes? That's interesting.

And what about Zen? Is it really a religion if it doesn't have doctrines about god(s) and doesn't have a creation myth? (Sure, some forms of Buddhism do, but they are blends with other religions -the original teachings of Gautama are God free).