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17 Dec 2025, 4:01 pm

My view is that the US needs to adopt a social democratic system, our version of the Nordic Model. This includes universal healthcare, a Green New Deal, much stronger worker protections (including a ban on at-will employment, age discrimination, and right-to-work states), and stronger promotion of equality (including bans on hate speech, as well as a return of affirmative action and DEI issues).

For this to become reality, however, progressive Democrats (or from other social democratic parties if our system would allow it) have to win statewide office in more states than their established strongholds, such as the Pacific region and the Northeast. They have to make gains in the swing states and possibly flip states such as Texas and Florida.

This is what progressives often face. They need to win, but they either lose to a moderate in the primaries, or the GOP candidate in the general.

Here is an example. In Texas, Colin Allred, who lost to Ted Cruz in his Senate race was planning to run for Texas' other Senate seat (the one currently held by John Cornyn). He dropped out of the race, providing an opening for Jasmine Crockett, a progressive, to run. The Dems' other candidate is James Talarico, a state senator. Meanwhile, there is a heated GOP primary between Cornyn and Ken Paxton, our scandal-riddled attorney general.

My hope is that Crockett becomes our next senator, but at the same time, I am worried about her ability to win over rural voters and independents. The state GOP will paint her as a "DEI hire" or a "radical Marxist", and with neo-McCarthyism still a main Republican component, conservatives will eat it up without question.

When Beto was running against Greg Abbott in the 2022 gubernatorial election, Abbott was quick to use Beto's "Yeah, I'm coming for your guns" remark after the El Paso shooting against him. Texas' cultural identity is tied to the pistol-toting rugged cowboy from the Wild West days, and conservatives in my state think that if we have gun control, we lose our identity and "become California".

In the Cruz-Allred Senate race in 2024, Allred focused on healthcare and border security. Cruz's TV and radio ads only dealt with one issue--"boys in girls' sports". Nothing else, and Cruz still won.

I am worried there is no path forward for people like Jasmine Crockett, because rural voters, who are overwhelmingly conservative and pro-Trump, are far more focused on the cultural wars and preserving the Wild West mentality and the white, Christian male hegemony that dominates Texas, despite our changing demographics, than on anything that would improve peoples' lives.


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17 Dec 2025, 6:04 pm

So called "hate speech" is included as free speech in America per the 1st Amendment. I will always vote Straight Ticket Republican.



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18 Dec 2025, 11:28 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
My view is that the US needs to adopt a social democratic system, our version of the Nordic Model. This includes universal healthcare, a Green New Deal, much stronger worker protections (including a ban on at-will employment, age discrimination, and right-to-work states), and stronger promotion of equality (including bans on hate speech, as well as a return of affirmative action and DEI issues).

For this to become reality, however, progressive Democrats (or from other social democratic parties if our system would allow it) have to win statewide office in more states than their established strongholds, such as the Pacific region and the Northeast. They have to make gains in the swing states and possibly flip states such as Texas and Florida.

This is what progressives often face. They need to win, but they either lose to a moderate in the primaries, or the GOP candidate in the general.

Here is an example. In Texas, Colin Allred, who lost to Ted Cruz in his Senate race was planning to run for Texas' other Senate seat (the one currently held by John Cornyn). He dropped out of the race, providing an opening for Jasmine Crockett, a progressive, to run. The Dems' other candidate is James Talarico, a state senator. Meanwhile, there is a heated GOP primary between Cornyn and Ken Paxton, our scandal-riddled attorney general.

My hope is that Crockett becomes our next senator, but at the same time, I am worried about her ability to win over rural voters and independents. The state GOP will paint her as a "DEI hire" or a "radical Marxist", and with neo-McCarthyism still a main Republican component, conservatives will eat it up without question.

When Beto was running against Greg Abbott in the 2022 gubernatorial election, Abbott was quick to use Beto's "Yeah, I'm coming for your guns" remark after the El Paso shooting against him. Texas' cultural identity is tied to the pistol-toting rugged cowboy from the Wild West days, and conservatives in my state think that if we have gun control, we lose our identity and "become California".

In the Cruz-Allred Senate race in 2024, Allred focused on healthcare and border security. Cruz's TV and radio ads only dealt with one issue--"boys in girls' sports". Nothing else, and Cruz still won.

I am worried there is no path forward for people like Jasmine Crockett, because rural voters, who are overwhelmingly conservative and pro-Trump, are far more focused on the cultural wars and preserving the Wild West mentality and the white, Christian male hegemony that dominates Texas, despite our changing demographics, than on anything that would improve peoples' lives.

A "democratic" socialist system would hurt everyone. Socialism has completely failed everywhere it's been tried.



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18 Dec 2025, 7:56 pm

Hate speech is protected speech. There are two ways this could change.

1. The conservative 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court has to be reversed. This entails waiting for the conservative justices to die and hope a progressive president appoints justices that rule that hate speech is not protected speech

3. Pass a constitutional amendment
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The United States Constitution was written "to endure for ages to come" Chief Justice John Marshall wrote in the early 1800s. To ensure it would last, the framers made amending the document a difficult task.

The amendment process is very difficult and time consuming: A proposed amendment must be passed by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, then ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states. The ERA Amendment did not pass the necessary majority of state legislatures in the 1980s. Another option to start the amendment process is that two-thirds of the state legislatures could ask Congress to call a Constitutional Convention.

A new Constitutional Convention has never happened, but the idea has its backers.


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20 Dec 2025, 10:08 am

The nordic countries are mostly all monarchies, i thought you all hated monarchies? God save the king!

Rural voters the world over are all more conservative/right-leaning, compared to urban populations, reflecting the needs and experiences of both. The countries that do best such as the nordics seem to be places where differing politic is tolerated and considered rather than opposed.



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20 Dec 2025, 10:24 am

Bunno wrote:
The nordic countries are mostly all monarchies, i thought you all hated monarchies? God save the king!


Yeah you would think Americans hated monarchy yet we have a lot of young girls in this country who dream of being Disney Princesses. Go figure.



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20 Dec 2025, 10:40 am

How are rural communities reacting to "no healthcare?"
A few rich people can't support hospitals so they will close down and folks in rural communities will have to travel a very long distance to get there. I wonder what our European friends think of traveling over 200 km to get to a hospital?

I knew a young teen aged boy that died on Maui, Hawaii because he hurt himself jumping off a fence, waiting for a doctor to help him. They have since improved the hospital on Maui and now have a tier III trama center. I live near a tier I Trauma Center which is the best rating.

On Nantucket, MA the paramedics will put you on a helicopter to get you to medical care.



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20 Dec 2025, 11:11 am

BTDT wrote:
How are rural communities reacting to "no healthcare?"


I live in a rural community yet I've been lucky to have an educated and enlightened mother who isn't completely brainwashed by all the propaganda that runs deep around here. She taught me to always think for myself and question everything around me.

So in my honest opinion it's the lack of education plus the government and religious propaganda in these areas that causes rural folks to go against their own best interests.



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20 Dec 2025, 4:04 pm

Bunno wrote:
The nordic countries are mostly all monarchies, i thought you all hated monarchies? God save the king!

Rural voters the world over are all more conservative/right-leaning, compared to urban populations, reflecting the needs and experiences of both. The countries that do best such as the nordics seem to be places where differing politic is tolerated and considered rather than opposed.


Iceland and Finland aren't monarchies


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20 Dec 2025, 4:33 pm

Problem is, the Nordic model is underpinned with vast oil wealth which allows them to have all that while having lackluster productivity.



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02 Jan 2026, 2:18 pm

Bataar wrote:
A "democratic" socialist system would hurt everyone. Socialism has completely failed everywhere it's been tried.

All of the world's most successful economies (in today's world, at least) have been mixed economies, neither purely socialist nor purely capitalist.

So the question to ask is: What is the right mixture?


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02 Jan 2026, 2:22 pm

Nades wrote:
Problem is, the Nordic model is underpinned with vast oil wealth which allows them to have all that while having lackluster productivity.

Norway has "vast oil wealth," but the other Nordic countries do not. Sweden, for example, does not.


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25 Jan 2026, 4:03 pm

I am voting for Ken Paxton.



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25 Jan 2026, 5:29 pm

Bataar wrote:
A "democratic" socialist system would hurt everyone. Socialism has completely failed everywhere it's been tried.


You say this like late stage capitalism isn't failing before our very eyes (and inflicting harms the entire time). :lol:


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