it seems Auties people have issues with Authority

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from Qu ora :
Because lots of so-called authoritative figureheads are constantly lying to you, constantly fabricating, constantly weaving a web, constantly deceiving you, constantly manipulating you, constantly trying to crack your very psyche so they can dominate you, constantly trying to make you feel subdued or shunned, constantly trying to make you feel as though your questions aren't even worth asking .
( personal Note : experienced this first hand repeatedly in my Lifetime)
Or Share your experiences of this type below please .
My last thread here possibly ?

I have had good leaders, usually closer to me (+1 or 2) that I can follow because they know what they are doing and I trust them (I have trusted those too much in the past).

I chafe under structure/discipline. Never liked rules, as in written rules; health and safety and petty rules that don't really need to exist but just do because the people who make them just like power. It's why I couldn't get on with my previous supervisor, as he loved making up rules and handing disciplinaries out like candy, and I couldn't handle it. It caused me to have several meltdowns and high anxiety.

It's why I found transition from preschool to school very hard and daunting. At preschool there were less rules, you just had to be kind to one another, not deliberately break things, etc - which I knew anyway. But at school the rules were more structured, because it was a classroom, not a day care.

It's why I can't be on internet forums or social media places that have too many confusing, contradictory rules. Another autism site I was on I just couldn't get on with the rules at all and kept finding myself arguing with the moderators there. I find rules less restrictive on WP and easier to understand and follow.

I tried looking up that Opposional Defiant Disorder or whatever it's called, because I wondered if I had that, but it said it's more for very disruptive and aggressive children, or adults who are always in trouble with the law. I don't really fit into either of those boxes, so I just put mine down to ADHD and having a creative mind or a sort of personality that doesn't suit a rigid or structured environment.

I chose ignore because I tend to reject people attempting to exercise authority.
This is where tangential thinking comes into play. If I'm told to do A, I will agree, but do something else.
The deviation is inversely proportional to common sense. If I'm given (what I see as) a stupid order, it will be immediately obvious that I'm not following it. If the order makes sense i will mostly comply, but a request will be acted on without me bridling.

I want to print a T shirt saying "ANYTHING YOU ASK, NOTHING YOU TELL ME."

definitely there is good authority and bad authority. we're all living under the bad kind now. let us all apply our massive prayer power en masse to appeal to the universe/God to fix this definitively.

Am most likely to to want to see them as being forthright enough to use common sense as a authority figure . If no other reason than to get along, generally and if anything remotely feels off . Or if pressured . Most likely would defer to CarbonHalo s. above written method of dealing with them. And depending on the situation. Have been know to just get up and walk away . As in previous appt. with head of Infectious disease with the VA health services in my State .
Whom I merely asked what guidelines he was using to treat Lyme. And when he replied about his using a set of guidelines That had been deemed outdated by several organizations I was familiar with . .By at least 3 years .
So just got up and left and as we left. And the man representing hisself as a knowledgeable medical practicioner , had called their security for the facility . That tracked us in the building to the patients advocate office there. And as we were leaving there, "due to the patient advocates absence" We were accosted by the 2 security officers , before getting out of the Patients Advocates door .
As they blocked the exit from that room . I simply asked them, ,if I could help them ? And they replied ,they wanted to make sure I was Okay . And we gracefully left the facility . Had similiar experiences of this nature with Sheriffs and Court Prosecuetors. No walking away from those, but asserting my rights by law . And most often try very hard to avoid or expecting to deal with monsters.

all too often, authority is illegitimate and forced.

I have old-fashioned views and dislike living in a society where businesses are obsessed with insurance policies, like having to find out who's fault it is if somebody hurt themselves and which party should claim compensation, etc. So it makes rules even more precise and under pressure to follow to the letter, making services cold and unfriendly and inflexible. To me it's just stupid health and safety killing our community, telling us what to do, practically owning us, and everything centred around the tiny chance that you might hurt yourself.
A bit like how bus-drivers have to stop at dedicated bus stops only, at all times, and never under any circumstances stop off anywhere else to help a late passenger who might have got held up on a previous bus or train and is carrying a lot of luggage or something. Years ago the driver would have pulled over to help the passenger, but now he is under legal pressure to sail straight by to avoid any legal documents for if they "tripped and fell". I miss the days where if you tripped and fell, nobody was reliable, you just said "oops", brushed yourself down, and got on with your life. Now it's all "oh, you tripped and fell, now who's fault is this? Let's investigate and take it all through court." Ugh, just all gets on my nerves and is way I despise rules in this money-obsessed society.

wb Auntblabby and Tamaya

double ditto

I can clash with authority figures a lot if I feel like they are assuming a level of authority I never had chance to consent to. I also default to talking to everyone like they are equals which also means arguing with their points if I don't think they hold up to scrutiny. If a rule is just there for the sake of beurocracy I can't simply lie down and accept it.
I respect authority figures who respect me and actually talk like real human people. They do exist and I don't just blanket hate everyone in positions of power. Some people are natural leaders too and I instinctively look to them for guidance, it's a charisma thing. Some people in authoritative jobs and uniforms lack that quality yet expect me to submit regardless.

I really abhor being controlled and having restrictions and rules imposed on me. I make my own rules.

^^^^. I get the above post ^^^^
but due to previous experiences, the ones that portray natural leaders cause me to examine circumstances under which
peeps might have considered them Leaders , And I would hope if they got into such a position they might allow for a certain level of scrutiny that sllows them to be in such positions . I cannot just go along with the suggested following.
Have seen too many injustices at this point in life . And even been victimized by a few of them myself . And seen at least one close person meet their death with no level of honest follow up by authorities . If more people would ask why and insist on answers maybe our ( leaders? ) would be more accountable .

There's a difference between being told what to do at work and being given tasks to do. What I don't like is the former. A previous supervisor we had at work cared more about power than the actual quality of the work, and so I got into frequent verbal fights with him because he told us how to do things, how to be, and planted lots of strange rules in place that we'd never heard of, and it caused me massive stress and anxiety.

Basically I like turning up for work to be given tasks to do that I can handle, but I do not like working in a dictatorship environment where there are too many rules and threats. The supervisor we've got now is much better, she gives us a list of tasks to do and leaves us to get on with it without breathing down our necks or nitpicking.

My mind operates like there are two different hierarchies. One formal hierarchy where my boss, right or wrong, has the power to make the decisions. And one based on actual competence, judgement and skills. I follow the instructions of my boss and I listen to the advice of someone with superior judgement and competence. People higher up in the formal hierarchy sometimes get offended when they sense that I don't actually think they know better than me.

Agrees with Billy Trees above post .^^^^^ and Welcome back BillyTree