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Do Aliens Exist?
Absolutely 64%  64%  [ 7 ]
Not outside of TV 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
I hear them in my sleep! 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I'm a member of Abductees Anonymous 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I'm from another universe 9%  9%  [ 1 ]
No 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Someone stop the voices!! ! 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
What on Earth? Oh, wait. No 9%  9%  [ 1 ]
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12 Sep 2007, 4:26 pm

Bible doesn't say, but I don't think it would be likely or necessary. However, if they did exist and didn't have original sin they would want to stay away from us; Earth would be quarantined. If they had sin but weren't made in God's image, God would have no reason not to wipe them out. Thus I think that if aliens did exist they would probably not have original sin and Earth would not be a place to go.

Anyone ever read "Out of the Silent Planet", "Perelandra", or "The Hideous Strength"? C.S. Lewis deals with the subject fairly well.



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12 Sep 2007, 5:12 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Bible doesn't say, but I don't think it would be likely or necessary. However, if they did exist and didn't have original sin they would want to stay away from us; Earth would be quarantined. If they had sin but weren't made in God's image, God would have no reason not to wipe them out. Thus I think that if aliens did exist they would probably not have original sin and Earth would not be a place to go.

I don't know how all the different christian denominations think of this as an official view from their dogmas now, obviously a lot of years ago, christiany would have rejected the idea of aliens, I just know of some people who believe the same thing you said, that they would not have any sin because the devil is only on earth, some others say the angels are the only aliens. Some even believe the star of Bethlehem was an UFO.

If one day humanity has contact with any alien intelligent life, that if that happens one day, it would probably contradict most of religious beliefs. And that is the question I always have: How would that effect people's religious beliefs if an alien make a presence today? Would it be very shocking, the most controversial thing, a radical change on dogmas?

Now, of course I have my doubts about being visited by aliens, but if they could, that would change a lot of stuff.


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Anyone ever read "Out of the Silent Planet", "Perelandra", or "The Hideous Strength"? C.S. Lewis deals with the subject fairly well.

Those are novels?


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12 Sep 2007, 5:49 pm

absolutley. only a fool would think we are the only other intelligent life in the universe, wich as it turn out is a pretty big place


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12 Sep 2007, 6:04 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Bible doesn't say, but I don't think it would be likely or necessary. However, if they did exist and didn't have original sin they would want to stay away from us; Earth would be quarantined. If they had sin but weren't made in God's image, God would have no reason not to wipe them out. Thus I think that if aliens did exist they would probably not have original sin and Earth would not be a place to go.

I don't know how all the different christian denominations think of this as an official view from their dogmas now, obviously a lot of years ago, christiany would have rejected the idea of aliens, I just know of some people who believe the same thing you said, that they would not have any sin because the devil is only on earth, some others say the angels are the only aliens. Some even believe the star of Bethlehem was an UFO.

If one day humanity has contact with any alien intelligent life, that if that happens one day, it would probably contradict most of religious beliefs. And that is the question I always have: How would that effect people's religious beliefs if an alien make a presence today? Would it be very shocking, the most controversial thing, a radical change on dogmas?

Now, of course I have my doubts about being visited by aliens, but if they could, that would change a lot of stuff.


iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Anyone ever read "Out of the Silent Planet", "Perelandra", or "The Hideous Strength"? C.S. Lewis deals with the subject fairly well.

Those are novels?


Yep those are novels.



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14 Sep 2007, 1:15 pm

greenblue wrote:
I just know of some people who believe the same thing you said, that they would not have any sin because the devil is only on earth, some others say the angels are the only aliens. Some even believe the star of Bethlehem was an UFO.


Actually such beliefs are started by Erich Von Daniken.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_von_D%C3%A4niken

All later theories are just variations of his.

This site summarize his beliefs in most elegant manner:
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http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/mad-s ... n-daniken/

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* Ancient people were stupid and lazy.
* Therefore they were unable to construct such artifacts as Stonehenge and the Pyramids on their own initiative.
* Therefore aliens must have helped them.
* One way they helped was by inducing mutations in cavemen to make them smarter.
* Therefore nearly any religious image or reference in the entire history of the human race is evidence that aliens visited ancient Earth.
* Furthermore, extraterrerstrial visitors and their high-tech gizmos are obviously the subject of any primitive artwork not obviously depicting bison. And we're not sure about some of those bison pictures either.
* Furtherfurthermore, anything written more than 300 years ago stands a good chance of describing aliens, from the Bible to the Rig Vedas to the Oresteia to the Magna Carta. OK, maybe not the Magna Carta.
* Aliens are primarily interested in using their mind-blowing technological advancements to help ape-men make large piles of rocks, such as Stonehenge and the Pyramids of Egypt and Mesoamerica.
* They also like having runways for their flying saucers to land on (despite the fact that flying saucers would not seem to require runways, since they tend to rise straight into the air, if you believe the hype).


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14 Sep 2007, 2:50 pm

Never heard of him.



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14 Sep 2007, 3:58 pm

Of coarse they exist, as large as the universe is, why would our planet be the only one to support intelligent life (well if you wanna call life here intelligent, but I'm not so sure about that)?



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14 Sep 2007, 4:15 pm

Coarse, a rough or grainy texture.

Course, a path of travel either in space-time or in logic.



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14 Sep 2007, 7:46 pm

I've seen a UFO.

But, it's just that. No idea if it's
an alien or man-made artifact.

Acted intelligent though.



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14 Sep 2007, 7:56 pm

The vessel acted intelligent?



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14 Sep 2007, 9:03 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The vessel acted intelligent?


Yeah. I mean, it moved as though directed
by intelligence. Otherwise, I might have
guessed that it was a weather balloon.
Well, plus it looked to big to be one.



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14 Sep 2007, 9:19 pm

calandale wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
The vessel acted intelligent?


Yeah. I mean, it moved as though directed
by intelligence. Otherwise, I might have
guessed that it was a weather balloon.
Well, plus it looked to big to be one.


I would hope Air Force pilots are intelligent :twisted:



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15 Sep 2007, 1:06 am

Unlikely that was the case. Really, I can't come up
with any good explanation for what I've seen.

Though, the ship's crew that we were friends with
had similar stories, so whatever it was wasn't absolutely
unknown at the time (early 70's - Caribbean/Venezuela)



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15 Sep 2007, 2:02 am

calandale wrote:
Unlikely that was the case. Really, I can't come up
with any good explanation for what I've seen.

Though, the ship's crew that we were friends with
had similar stories, so whatever it was wasn't absolutely
unknown at the time (early 70's - Caribbean/Venezuela)


Cool, maybe we'll find out for sure later. Either after it becomes declassified or after we die. Tell me, what in reality is the feasibility of interstellar travel?



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15 Sep 2007, 2:03 am

Happens all the time.

We get s**t from outside the solar system
regularly. :P



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15 Sep 2007, 2:14 am

At what speed?