Israel's Raid on Syria: Prelude to a Nuke Crisis?

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The Whispers of War

By Dan Ephron and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek

Oct. 1, 2007 issue - Sam Gardiner plays war for a living. a former air Force colonel who helped write contingency plans for the U.S. military, Gardiner has spent the 20 years since his retirement staging war-simulation exercises for military and policy wonks within and on the fringes of government (he keeps his client list confidential). Lately, more of his work has focused on Iran and its nuclear program. Gardiner starts by gathering various experts in a room to play the parts of government principals—the CIA director, the secretary of State, leaders of other countries—and presents them with a scenario: Iran, for example, has made a dramatic nuclear advance. Then he sits back and watches the cycle of action and reaction, occasionally lobbing new information at the participants.

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I heard that Israel supposedly destroyed a cache of North Korea-made nuclear materials.

Tim

I was rather surprised at how muted the news about this was. This is usually the sort of thing that Israel catches hell for. My read is that Syria was messing with things that the international community would not want them messing with (not necessarily nuclear materials, though), so they can't raise a big stink about the Israeli strike. If they did, it would put their own actions under a potentially damaging amount of scrutiny, and possibly result in serious consequences (U.N. sanctions and the like) in addition to a damaged reputation in the region (keep in mind that Syria is already somewhat on the spot for its alleged associations with Hizbullah and Iran).

israel is the greatest threat to world peace and has been for quite a few years now.

both factions are evil. its so silly to be fighting over a piece of land the size of a grahm cracker i think

they're fighting over whose imaginary friend is better.

edit: well, the zionists are, anyways. i'm pretty sure most of the palestinians just want to keep their land and keep their rights as humans. they jews are saying that the land is their god-given land and its their birthright....despite it just being imaginary friend time on the whole thing.

I caught a short little deal with Syria warning Israel about fly overs about a month? ago. They said they would be reacting accordingly if they kept it up. Precursor to the raid? Yeah, I'm a bit mystified with the lack of reporting on it.

I know you're one of the more intelligent posters on the forum here - so how in the HELL can you possibly believe this?

I more then likely don't fit your profile of intelligent posters, but I must say, I agree with skafather84 100%.
That is the Sate of Israel, on their current course. Divide their neighbors and keep their security had destabilized that part of world for a long time. While it may have been smart in the beginning, it's time is past, it's going to bite them in the ass. The myth of the Israeli super soldier got busted big time, let's hope it was a wake up call. The destabilizing lesson we should have learned as well. There is more to it, but that's one of the big ones.

Let's broaden the question. How could anyone as intellegent and thoughtful as we are come to hold an opinion so radically different from our own?

Because we're human, we still have passions, differences and opinions. Intelligence and thoughtfulness in one area does not guarantee these qualities in another area.

Hard to say what really happened. Syria did announce that it engaged an incursion, that the Israeli planes dropped some bombs. They didn't say what the target was, but that is not surprising. I wouldn't expect them to provide any info that would confirm the attacker's suspicions. Bush was pretty secretive about it. But at this point, it is mostly innuendo and rumor. The most likely target (IMHO) was a new model of a mobile missile. But who knows?

simple. israel is the aggressor and minority in an area where they have worn out their welcome through various violations of human rights (those rights being the rights of the palestinians). through their actions and their growing paranoia, they become more violent and that pushes others in the area to respond more violently and it is continuing in the escalation. since there isn't a true moderate voice in the matter (the world powers like the US and the UK both have a very blatent bias for israel), israel is voted out by lack of seniority. they return to their status that they held for a few hundred years of "without a home" and the middle east returns to peace and we leave this global stage of nearing nuclear war.

not to mention the zionists are essentially religious fundamentalists that we just happen to support over the islamic fundamentalists....they both claim their god is better...israel is founded on fundamentalism and holds that moronic "right of return" law which is an insult to the native muslims of the area who don't even get granted the right to traverse the area a lot of times (rather less the "building permit" scam that's pulled to demolish muslim homes).

this is not to say that murder on the part of the palestinians or other islamic nutjobs is acceptable....but there is a reason beyond "they're hateful people".


ever wonder why anyone who ever dares speak out against israel gets the knee-jerk reaction of antisemite? it's all done through israeli lobbies who push it. it's actually a topic kinda touched on here with the whole crying racist thing...except it's antisemite instead and since jews are mostly white, people react (no offense to anyone but in general, white people tend to get a better response and better protection than black people...it's a sick sad truth of the world we live in).

so yeah...the logical solution to the issue is to pull support for israel. offer protection and safety to all those who want it and leave the rest to the natives of the land.

well either that or what would ammount to essentially the mass-genocide of millions of muslims to protect the state of israel...actually we've already killed roughly 1mil in iraq in the name of israel...or oil....whichever you choose to believe....but iraq was a potential future threat to israel....and we haven't seen oil prices dip yet.

and we'll probably kill another 1mil+ in iran if people actually get suckered into that war.


and just imagine...we wouldn't nearly have this problem if people would just stop talking to their imaginary friends and treat everyone as equal human beings rather than aliens of almost no worth.

No. They just unashamedly protect their own interests. Unlike the US and Europeans who attempt to hide behind the almost- transparent cloak of morality when dirty work needs to be done. Unfortunately, thanks to effete lily-livered liberals, those who control western nations are unable to state the obvious to their populace: that morality, freedom of speech and human rights mean jack s**t if some fruitcake Islamist has a couple of ICBMs, with 0.5kt warheads attached, pointed at you.

i kno huh!

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