Chuchulainn vs. the Wishful Thinkers, err, Atheists

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Atheism and evolution has caused more deaths than any ideology. Evolutionists hunted down native Tasmanians like animals. Kruschev killed Christians, not that you care.

Why is this?
Because atheists don't want to believe in God.
Which means they have no convictions.
Which means they have no reason to be moral.
Which means they are immoral.
Which means they are depraved.

Look around you, fools. No accident could have created this marvelous beauty called earth, no science could ever explain the paranormal experiences that are on the rise on TV and newspaper. Science takes away humanity's soul, its moral compass, and its worth.

I think the vast majority of the world was colonized by thiest nations & tribes, so id like to see some rough figures for the first statement.

Proof?



I do care. The loss of human life is especially abhorrent because I am borderline atheist. The loss of a certain afterlife makes me value human life even more.



I choose to be moral. If there is one thing I choose to believe in, it is humanity.



Bollocks. Science and morality are very much still intertwined. It just means changing focus away from stories that are most likely false, and focusing on what we know and observe.

So-called paranormal occurences are either BS, or what I call a 'singularity of coincidence'.

I'm agnostic, not an atheist but...

When I was a Christian, I often wondered what would be my moral compass without God, who I would answer to. I know the answer to that now: I have myself to answer to. My standards for myself are a lot higher than God's were. I'm right here in my head, not some faraway, intangible deity. I'm willing to use violence against myself if I don't meet my own standards, and I have done so. Finally, I'm not merciful, and I don't forgive myself.

Will you just cut it out and stop trying to pick fights. Those are lies so big you probably don't believe them yourself. Trolling is not going to get you very far...

In any case, your reasoning and logic is so shoddy, incomplete, and fallacious that hardly anybody is likely to listen to you or give you much credibility.

Posting in the mirror..... Christians have butchered hundreds of millions!! !

Thou hypocrite!! ! remove thy mote from thine own eye that thou may more clearly see!! !! !!

I have no idea if this is true or not, but most atheists I know don't go around doing such things. You can't tar us all with the same brush, just as not all Christians are fundamentalists. Although I would like to think that you're talking about Darwinists, who actually believe in the evolution ideology, not the scientific concept, and not the "evolutionists", who are simply people who believe or accept the scientific theory of evolution.



There is no evidence to convince us that God is worth believing in. So no, we don't want to believe in him. We don't typically have an adverse or otherwise crazy or "evil" reason why we don't want to believe in God. And morality does not equate God. Just because we live without God does not mean we have no ideas by which we live on. If that were true, secular societies could not function, much less exist the way they do now. In fact, they survive much better than most other societies do, and have lower divorce and crime rates. We do not deprive ourselves of morality, since God and morality are not equivalent. In fact, when reading the bible, many of us might be lead to think that God is the opposite, rather than being morality itself. And at this day and age, with what we can learn from science and our own methods of thinking and rationality, there is simply no room for God.

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Look around you, fools. No accident could have created this marvelous beauty called earth, no science could ever explain the paranormal experiences that are on the rise on TV and newspaper. Science takes away humanity's soul, its moral compass, and its worth.[/quote]
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And why not? If the universe is as large as it is, there is a slight chance for a planet like Earth to exist. Of course, this probability is not "zero"; if it were more probable, then we should see more planets like Earth, but we don't. Which fits in fine with the idea that the existence of a planet that can sustain life has a smaller chance. Paranormal experiences are either not science or are flukes. Another way of putting it is that a paranormal experience might be considered such and is simply a magic trick, or there's nothing wrong with science not being able to explain it, since science is continuous and never, at any one point, claims to be able to explain everything.

Since I don't believe in the soul, I won't argue about such futilities as science taking away what doesn't exist, but science only exists to explain what we don't understand. That is something that perhaps might be called "magic" to people because they don't understand it, but understanding it does not take away its beauty or worth; in fact, it makes it more beautiful and worthy. As I write in my sig, "You call it magic because it mystifies you. I call it beauty because I understand it." If you don't like the idea of science explaining things (which you might not understand anyways; science is normally quite complicated) you are free to ignore what they say. But everyone views things differently. Some people want the "magic" explained, and others do not. That choice is completely left up to you. Furthermore, science has nothing to do with morality. Morality is something you decide for yourself. If science had anything to do with morality, then perhaps scientists might all share the same morals. But they don't. Science is simply not just any study done carefully. As such, it has nothing to do with morals, and you are shooting at it for something it doesn't do.

[quote="Chuchulainn"]Atheism and evolution has caused more deaths than any ideology. Evolutionists hunted down native Tasmanians like animals. Kruschev killed Christians, not that you care.[quote]

LOL lies, propoganda and silliness.

Lets pick some at random.

The catholic-led invasion and colonisation of the americas that WIPED OUT meso-american cultures in the south.
The splinter-group protestant colonisation of north america which brought war and disease to the natives for hundreds of years.
The crusades (all of them), looking from either side of the fence.
World War 2 (Nazism was an ideology partially based on ancient ideologies, and the concept of aryanism etc etc etc google it and look.)


I could go on for hours, but that selection should account for a good few billion, and half predate the concept of evolution.

A lot of people kill christians. Few of them are doing it out of any desire to disprove christianity, but more from a need to remove a troublesome sect from the area, or reduce political power, or because their own ideology is "better".

Find me a nation that is wholly aethist, and that has slaughtered billions of people, and I might believe you.

One of the groundpillars of communism is that religion is like opium to the people. A lot of non-communistic (yet socialistic) racistic dictators, such as Milosevic and Hitler were also atheists. Allthough not officially an atheist, Hitler claimed during a talk in the early 40's that God was a fictional character made up by the jews. He also officially claimed that Jesus was an imposter because he was a jew and he also ordered Himmler to remove all religion after the war was over.

All religions have their black sheep. Islam had Saddam Hussein, christianity has George W. Bush and so on. These people did what they did because they were psycopaths, not because they were religious.

that isnt true, hell hitler killed 6 million people based upon an ideology, how many people were killed in the name of god? i'm guessing its in the millions aswell

One has to wonder why some people think one set of unprovable beliefs or faiths are better than other unprovable beliefs or faiths, or feel that they make them superior to others who hold different ones...

Many people I've talked to admit the stupidity of it, and then they turn around and go back to doing the same thing. *sigh*

i care not to address the religious aspect of your post...

but to say evolution does NOT have it's foundations in death for any percent of any population... would be silly (how else would YOU be here?).

but evolution-related death is not vindictive, like you're portraying it to be.

and you err logically when you mutually exclude evolution and theism.

Blaming natural selection for death is about as futile as blaming evaporation for rain. Natural selection is just a means to explain how that kind of death occurs, but on a more significant level, how organisms survive, and how some don't. Evaporation explains how we get rain clouds, but you can hardly blame a process that explains how something happens. It will happen, regardless of what you think of it. Although I think that foolish kind of sophistry came from Kent Hovind.

Well, not exactly. Natural selection is a process by which organisms adapt and survive in relation to their environments. For example, take some species of snakes like pythons. Because it is cold blooded it is well adapted to live in swampy regions or jungles where there is warm and humid climate. That combined with their ability to detect IR and their rather efficient killing techniques, it is very likely to survive and retain an edge in that environment and thus they will procreate. However, take it to the Arctic where there are few prey animals and very cold climate, they will not survive or procreate.

It is through this that animals and humans have evolved.

So you figure that people can only be moral when they fear some supernatural creature that may punish immoral acts? Sorry but that is so untrue. Most people have morals of their own regardless of their religious believes ; most people are moral because we have our values indicating what is wrong and what is not wrong. You don't need a god for that.

Also, I think "fools" is a bit strong language. I don't believe in gods but I won't call believers "fools". I believe their is a scientific explanation for anything and that this earth was indeed created and evolved into what it is now... by accident. There was the big bang, then there was the evolution of nature and species. All perfectly well scientifically explained. And despite my believes that there is no god, I have never done any immoral act purely because I try to deal with people the way I like to be dealth with: with respect. I don't need a god to tell me what is wrong or right, thank you. And I think calling atheists "fools" is very over the top ; if we call believers "fools" you would probably be upset or at least offended yourself.

"Thank God I'm not religious" - God.