Since When Do Vaccines have MERCURY in Them?!

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23 Oct 2007, 8:24 am

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Can we revoke Aspie status for 'undesirables' like jjstar here?


I don't think you can. But maybe in Nazi Germany. They tried doing that to the Jews, didn't they.

Oh wait - they did that to the Blacks in America...

Oh wait- - they did that to the Native Americans in America too...

The KKK is waiting for recruits Joyblob. Hurry. You can get a white gown on sale if you run fast enough! :lol:


That doesn't actually make sense sir.



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23 Oct 2007, 8:25 am

Remember when you had mercury stuck up your tuches? That ~couldn't~ have been very healthy..... :cry: Well, it's going to be phased out by the EPA soon - in Taiwan. Still being used in the West, no doubt. Why? Because you buy them, that's why.

EPA moves to ban old-style thermometers with mercury
By Chung Li-hua
STAFF REPORTER
Tuesday, Oct 23, 2007,

The Environmental Protection Administration (EPA) wants to ban mercury thermometers with the goal of phasing them out completely and replacing them with electronic thermometers.

The draft regulations for the import and sales of mercury thermometers also states that the ban would be executed in stages starting in July. Domestic and non-medical use would be banned first. The EPA expects the ban would extend to medical establishments by 2011.

The EPA said in a statement that mercury is a toxic compound that accumulates in the body. Careless use of mercury thermometers not only results in environmental pollution, but is also detrimental to human health.

Since electronic thermometers have become widely available, many countries have introduced regulations concerning the usage of mercury thermometers, the EPA said.

Sweden has completely banned the manufacture, import and export of mercury thermometers. Similarly, last November the EU opened discussion on prohibiting all mercury-containing medical equipment, it said.

EPA statistics showed that Taiwan currently uses 527,000 mercury thermometers annually.

With each thermometer containing 1.2g of mercury, this translates into 632kg of mercury in circulation per year, the equivalent of 52.7 million florescent light tubes. The new regulation would effectively reduce mercury-related waste products, the statement said.

Starting in July, importers would be no longer be allowed to to import mercury thermometers. Similarly, retailers would not be allowed to sell them.

For those who still possess warehouse stock, the draft would give them until July 2011 to sell them to medical establishments. The draft also leaves open the possibility of prohibiting medical establishments from whole-saling, retailing or giving out the thermometers.

Should importers or retailers violate these regulations, they could face fines from NT$60,000 to NT$300,000 (US$1,840 to US$9,200), the draft said.

Mercury manometers are not included in the ban. The EPA said that although each manometer contains 50g to 60g of mercury, they are accurate and not easily breakable.

As electronic manometers cannot yet completely replace the traditional ones, they will not be banned, the EPA said.



Copyright © 1999-2007 The Taipei Times. All rights reserved.


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23 Oct 2007, 8:29 am

Joybob wrote:
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Can we revoke Aspie status for 'undesirables' like jjstar here?


I don't think you can. But maybe in Nazi Germany. They tried doing that to the Jews, didn't they.

Oh wait - they did that to the Blacks in America...

Oh wait- - they did that to the Native Americans in America too...

The KKK is waiting for recruits Joyblob. Hurry. You can get a white gown on sale if you run fast enough! :lol:


That doesn't actually make sense sir.


Of course it didn't.
And that's Ms. FYI.


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23 Oct 2007, 8:43 am

So jjstar, tell me, how does modern medicine cause a better constitution or improve 'the potentiality of the gene'? why avoid the actual point I was making - access to modern medicine and high life expectancies? Maybe you can't answer it? And yes, people in the US have better access to modern medicine than people had before modern medicine existed, or that people have in remote villages in 3rd world countries. Even if it's just ER, it's better than no access whatsoever. Note also that in the US the rich, who have much easier access to modern medicine than the poor, live longer than the poor (the poor in the US are not actually starving). Again, if modern medicine is harmful, why do people with easy access to it live a lot longer than people without? Would you have us believe that all the people with easy access have better genes, and all the people wthout (including their ancestor) have worse genes?
And some people here, jjstar, are speaking from the experience of having their lives saved by modern medicine, such as appendectomy.
Could it be that the Buttar guy has no papers in the peer-reviewed literature, and that's why you refuse to give us references?
Any progress understanding the difference between elemental mercury and ethyl mercury? Is the fact that different chemicals have different properties beyond your comprehension, or are you just hoping no one will notice that you have no answer to that?



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23 Oct 2007, 8:45 am

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Remember when you had mercury stuck up your tuches? ....


Another rant on elemental mercury.



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23 Oct 2007, 8:48 am

jjstar wrote:
Joybob wrote:
jjstar wrote:
Joybob wrote:
Can we revoke Aspie status for 'undesirables' like jjstar here?


I don't think you can. But maybe in Nazi Germany. They tried doing that to the Jews, didn't they.

Oh wait - they did that to the Blacks in America...

Oh wait- - they did that to the Native Americans in America too...

The KKK is waiting for recruits Joyblob. Hurry. You can get a white gown on sale if you run fast enough! :lol:


That doesn't actually make sense sir.


Of course it didn't.
And that's Ms. FYI.


Well for starters.

The Nazis killed the Jews, they didn't revoke their Nazi status.

I'm not saying we should kill you (although I'm not saying we shouldn't either) I'm saying you're making us look bad and should be ostracized.

The Pope can excommunicate heretics so why can't we?



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23 Oct 2007, 8:53 am

Even if mercury thermometers aren't technically banned in the US, they haven't been used since my parents were children. I've never even seen one. BTW, the ones with the red liquid contain alcohol, not mercury. Mercury is silver.



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23 Oct 2007, 8:57 am

pbcoll wrote:
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Remember when you had mercury stuck up your tuches? ....


Another rant on elemental mercury.


That's right. MERCURY. In thermometers, in vaccines, in fish, in the air, in the water, in your brain., in the atmosphere - all affecting the nervous systems of human beings - everywhere on the planet. Any human being with any sense of consciousness will be UP IN ARMS against this mass poisoning. But alas, like all warfronts, the most one can expect from the likes of you is rancor and arm-chair snotiness because when it's all said and done, it's all about your own ego and picking fights, the same old dysfunctional behavior you've lived with your entire life. But you're so dense you're completely oblivious to the fact that it all comes back to you - and it will. Guaranteed.


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23 Oct 2007, 8:57 am

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Even if mercury thermometers aren't technically banned in the US, they haven't been used since my parents were children. I've never even seen one. BTW, the ones with the red liquid contain alcohol, not mercury. Mercury is silver.


I haven't seen a mercury thermometer either in years. The ones they sell for university labs are alcohol (even though they completely suck).



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23 Oct 2007, 9:09 am

You've been reported for making a threat against me. Covert or overt - you have to learn you can't threaten people. That's it. It isn't tolerated in real life (I would have called the cops on you in a flash) and the net is no different. If anything it needs to be enforced more strongly to put twerps like you in their place.

I have every right in the world to express my feelings - and it is YOU who are creating hysteria and chaos. Why? Only your shrink knows for sure. And as for looking bad? MY GOD - you already do - and it's all you're OWN doing, not mine. I'm just your excuse.




Joybob wrote:
jjstar wrote:
Joybob wrote:
jjstar wrote:
Joybob wrote:
Can we revoke Aspie status for 'undesirables' like jjstar here?


I don't think you can. But maybe in Nazi Germany. They tried doing that to the Jews, didn't they.

Oh wait - they did that to the Blacks in America...

Oh wait- - they did that to the Native Americans in America too...

The KKK is waiting for recruits Joyblob. Hurry. You can get a white gown on sale if you run fast enough! :lol:


That doesn't actually make sense sir.


Of course it didn't.
And that's Ms. FYI.


Well for starters.

The Nazis killed the Jews, they didn't revoke their Nazi status.

I'm not saying we should kill you (although I'm not saying we shouldn't either) I'm saying you're making us look bad and should be ostracized.

The Pope can excommunicate heretics so why can't we?


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23 Oct 2007, 9:28 am

The dangers of mercury to our health - Nevada, USA

In January 2004, residents in northern Nevada found out first hand how dangerous mercury can be when dozens of middle school children in Gardnerville were exposed to the element and the vapors it gives off.

Less than a week later, severe poisoning from long-term exposure to mercury vapor sent a Las Vegas 17-year-old youth to a hospital's intensive care unit for a week, and the exposure may cause lifelong effects.

The quarter cup of mercury brought to the Gardnerville school by a student contaminated not only classrooms and a school bus, but the clothing and belongings of more than 50 of his classmates.

The state and federal governments spent more than $100,000 on decontamination efforts; the school was closed for more than a week; local businesses made donations to those students whose belonging were too contaminated to take home and had be destroyed.

In Las Vegas, EPA and Clark County officials spent weeks decontaminating the home the second youth lived in because of extremely high levels of mercury vapor. The youth had spent months playing with as much as a quart of mercury, spreading it throughout his house and backyard.

The vapor very nearly killed the boy. A substantial amount of his family's personal property had to be destroyed because contamination levels were so high, and the family's dog experienced severe mercury poisoning. Investigators are now looking at the possibility that friends took some of the mercury to their homes.

Extremely dangerous

Mercury has a lot of names: quicksilver, liquid metal, mercurio, that stuff from the 'Terminator' movies. It's number 80 on the periodic table of elements and looks like silver paint that doesn't melt.

Describe it however you want to, but make no mistake about it: elemental mercury isn't pretty and it isn't neat.

There are legitimate and safe uses for mercury, though many industries such as mining and paper production are moving away from mercury processes. Still, the silver liquid is found in thermometers, thermostats, fluorescent lamps, barometers and car switches.

But many people are not aware of the extreme danger of mercury when it is no longer contained in a thermometer or air-tight container.

All mercury spills, regardless of quantity, should be treated seriously. Metallic mercury slowly evaporates when exposed to the air. The air in a room can reach contamination levels just from the mercury in a broken thermometer - just a few drops.

When liquid mercury is spilled, it forms droplets that can accumulate in the tiniest of spaces and then emit vapors. Health problems caused by mercury depend on how much has entered your body, how it entered your body, how long you have been exposed to it, and how your body responds to it.

The symptoms of mercury poisoning can include:

- impairment of peripheral vision

- disturbances in sensations - that 'pins and needles' feeling as well as numbness - usually in the hands feet and sometimes around the mouth

- lack of coordination of movements, such as writing

- impairment of speech, hearing, walking

- muscle weakness

- skin rashes

- mood swing, memory loss, and mental disturbances

Coming into contact with too much mercury this way can damage a growing brain, harming the way unborn and young children will be able to think and learn. It can also harm anyone's heart, kidneys, lungs, and immune system.

What you should do

There are some simple DO's and DON'T's to remember if, for example, a mercury thermometer breaks:

DO call your local health department and inform them of the situation.

DO immediately remove children from the area;

DO clean up the silver mercury beads by using one sheet of paper to carefully roll them onto a second sheet of paper, or use an eye dropper to collect it all. Then place the mercury into a plastic bag or airtight container. The paper and eye dropper should also be bagged in a zip-lock container.

DON'T try to soak it up with a towel or rag; doing so only spreads the mercury, breaking it up into smaller beads making it more difficult to find and remove.

DON'T use household cleaning products to clean the spill, particularly products that contain ammonia or chlorine. These chemicals will react violently with mercury, releasing a toxic gas.

DON'T vacuum carpeted floors contaminated with liquid mercury.

EPA and mercury decontamination

EPA has always been involved in removing mercury from the environment, from proposing and passing rules such as maximum achievable control technology and air transport regulations that will cut the amount of mercury vapor that industry and power plants emit, to sending trained emergency response teams to clean up homes and schools contaminated with mercury as we did in Nevada.

In early 2004, the EPA has worked very closely with the Nevada Department of Health and the Nevada Division of Environmental Protection (NDEP) in handling the mercury spills that occurred. NDEP is sponsoring a new program to collect and safely dispose of metallic mercury that Nevadans have in their homes.

The program will consist of collection events and will focus on household mercury waste in areas of the state where environmentally preferable recycling or disposal options are not readily available.

The events will likely be held at local landfills or similar facilities. We urge all Nevadans to participate in this program to remove this danger to public health and the environment.

Many other states have begun programs to collect mercury thermometers in an attempt to minimize the prevalence of mercury in homes. There are options available to consumers that are as reliable as mercury thermometers such as digital thermometers.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/5762.php


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23 Oct 2007, 9:30 am

Eh, I stand by what I said.



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23 Oct 2007, 9:31 am

Isn't this pretty old? The whole autism/mercury thing and the vaccine debate have been going on for years.



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23 Oct 2007, 9:34 am

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The dangers of mercury to our health - Nevada, USA

In January 2004, residents in northern Nevada found out first hand how dangerous mercury can be when dozens of middle school children in Gardnerville were exposed to the element and the vapors it gives off.


The element!! ELEMENT! Not ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is not elemental mercury. It's like the difference between chlorine ((VERY toxic)) sodium ((VERY toxic)) and salt, which is made of both. I guess salt is toxic too huh?



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23 Oct 2007, 9:40 am

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Isn't this pretty old? The whole autism/mercury thing and the vaccine debate have been going on for years.


Battles sometimes take years, sometimes they go on for centuries. That's the way things are. Not everything can be a *quick fix*.


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23 Oct 2007, 9:44 am

Ethylmercury
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Ethylmercury (sometimes ethyl mercury) is a cation composed of an ethyl group and a mercury atom; its chemical formula is C2H5Hg+. The term 'ethylmercury' is sometimes used as a generic term to describe organomercury compounds which include ethylmercury such as ethylmercury chloride and ethylmercury urea. The CAS registry number for ethylmercury chloride is 107-27-7.

Ethylmercury is one of the metabolites of thiomersal, which is used as a preservative in some vaccines. For this application, the ethylmercury salt sodium ethylmercuric thiosalicylate is used. Thiomersal (C9H9HgNaO2S) is made from the combination of ethyl mercuric chloride, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethanol.

Unlike methylmercury, ethylmercury has not been found to bioaccumulate.[1] The toxicity of ethylmercury is not well studied, but exposure standards based on methylmercury (such as those currently recommended by the EPA) are not demonstrated to be equivalent for ethylmercury.[2]


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Goche21 wrote:
jjstar wrote:
The dangers of mercury to our health - Nevada, USA

In January 2004, residents in northern Nevada found out first hand how dangerous mercury can be when dozens of middle school children in Gardnerville were exposed to the element and the vapors it gives off.


The element!! ELEMENT! Not ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is not elemental mercury. It's like the difference between chlorine ((VERY toxic)) sodium ((VERY toxic)) and salt, which is made of both. I guess salt is toxic too huh?


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