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Ragtime
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26 Nov 2007, 10:37 am

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I loved my Grandmother and she was orthodox Jewish. She died when I was 10 years old. Every week she would go into the synagogue, reading the Jewish Bible, but she was the most kind and nice person I ever new.

I remember one Passover we went to her house and she was crying because she wanted to go to Jerusalem but it just wasn't possible, so I knew about Jerusalem from a very small age.

When I was a child I lived in a very Jewish area, but for the Jews there it seemed to be a very embarrassing thing to be Jewish. They were ashamed and tried to cover their Jewish background.

The atmosphere was very anti-Semitic with jokes about Jews, but many Jews were very wealthy, they had good jobs and had a good life, I don't remember having any difficulties in that area. Then I met my husband, he was from an orthodox Ukrainian background. I got baptised in that church because I wanted to marry him. I also became a singer in the church but the roots of anti Semitism ran deep in the church.

The Christians there really did hate me. It was really open; they tried to do everything to throw me out of the church.

After 2 -3 years they succeeded and I left the church and said never again will I have anything to do with Christians, they were the worst people in the world.
Looking back it was really sad to see that the Christians had the answer to life, yet they were ruining their testimony through hatred and anti Semitism, anti Semitism is a very ugly thing.

Later on in my life there was a time of change in the Ukraine with the crushing of the Soviet Union. Life began to become very difficult, people were hungry without food; without work, so I started to think about Israel more and more, until it came to the point when I made a decision to come.

I have been here in Israel now for 11 years. I came for free with my children through a special organisation; my husband didn't want to come, so I was alone with 3 kids but I felt I was home in the land of Israel.

When I came I wasn't looking for my Jewish identity I was looking for a home, but when I became a believer in Jesus I recognised I was Jewish and I recognised Israel as the land of the Bible because I started to learn about the Bible from a messianic point of view. So as a believer in Jesus I had a new identity, I was Jewish and proud of it and also a believer in my Jewish Lord and Saviour.

In the past I had said that Christians are the worst people in the world, now I am one, I think God has a very funny sense of humour.

Many Jews think that when you become a believer in Jesus you are leaving your Jewish identity, but for me I felt that I was becoming a fulfilled Jew. My identity is in Him.

When I came to Israel with 3 children we had to settle into new life and for the Russian community it would be easy just to be Russian, we have Russian TV, Russian newspapers and a Russian Ghetto. There was a point when I didn't understand my children because they could speak Hebrew and I don't, it was easy for them to integrate into society because of school and the friends they socialised with. Plus they were young and it's easy to learn a fresh language when you are younger.

For me I had a revolution in my home, I stopped watching the Russian TV and reading Russian newspapers. I started speaking to my children and friends in Hebrew. So now Hebrew is my main language, in fact I taught Hebrew for a while.

My prayer for this nation is that the nation of Israel would come to know Jesus as their Saviour and the plans for the Jewish nation would be fulfilled because Jesus is coming again here to this land.


http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/articles/life/True_Stories/28647/p1/

This woman came from the "Christians are horrible!" perspective I hear so often on WP, that I thought this article very apt for bridging my perspective with WP's main perspective.


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26 Nov 2007, 10:50 am

Went from a "Christians are horrible" perspective to a "Jesus Christ is my Messiah" perspective. Jesus' Lordship isn't affected by the bad example of some believers, but they sure don't help His cause either.



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26 Nov 2007, 12:28 pm

WP certainly does carry that view majority wise. About 60-40.



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26 Nov 2007, 1:48 pm

I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


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26 Nov 2007, 1:54 pm

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I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!



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26 Nov 2007, 2:29 pm

monty wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!


Beep.



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26 Nov 2007, 2:39 pm

monty wrote:
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I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!


Not at all, just asking what it might mean. :wink:


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26 Nov 2007, 2:46 pm

Ragtime wrote:
monty wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!


Not at all, just asking what it might mean. :wink:


Maybe they don't have a view to share. But they do have a view, why don't they share?



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26 Nov 2007, 2:47 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
monty wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!


Not at all, just asking what it might mean. :wink:


Maybe they don't have a view to share. But they do have a view, why don't they share?


Actually, I remember now: Usually, when they stall, they're working on coming up with a rebuttal to a fine point -- this time, a point not made by me, but by a true Christian-hater-turned-Christian. They're working on finding a way to discredit her, if only in part, or to make out her story as having "nothing to do with" their views. You learn these people after enough experience with them.


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26 Nov 2007, 2:56 pm

Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
monty wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!


Not at all, just asking what it might mean. :wink:


Maybe they don't have a view to share. But they do have a view, why don't they share?


Actually, I remember now: Usually, when they stall, they're working on coming up with a rebuttal to a fine point -- this time, a point not made by me, but by a true Christian-hater-turned-Christian. They're working on finding a way to discredit her, if only in part, or to make out her story as having "nothing to do with" their views. You learn these people after enough experience with them.


Or how about when they give up the whole "discuss" idea and just start ranting? They usually do try to discredit or discount anything about Christianity, probably so they can feel better about ignoring it.

PPR forum is like Walmart: religion discounted (Christianity 60% off!)



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26 Nov 2007, 2:58 pm

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PPR forum is like Walmart: religion discounted (Christianity 60% off!)


:lol: That's good!


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26 Nov 2007, 3:12 pm

Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
PPR forum is like Walmart: religion discounted (Christianity 60% off!)


:lol: That's good!


And conservative fundamentalist theology, 99% off! Bibles, 100% off! These items will not be restocked!



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26 Nov 2007, 3:20 pm

Ragtime wrote:
I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)

Give them at least 24 hours.

Patience is a virtue, my son.


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26 Nov 2007, 3:22 pm

Ragtime wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
monty wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I guess my post answered all their objections, because they're not replying. Cool! :)


If nobody corrects me, I must be correct? Give him a nudge, Parakeet!


Not at all, just asking what it might mean. :wink:


Maybe they don't have a view to share. But they do have a view, why don't they share?


Actually, I remember now: Usually, when they stall, they're working on coming up with a rebuttal to a fine point -- this time, a point not made by me, but by a true Christian-hater-turned-Christian. They're working on finding a way to discredit her, if only in part, or to make out her story as having "nothing to do with" their views. You learn these people after enough experience with them.

A TRUE Christian hater becoming a TRUE Christian? Is that possible? :P

hmmm, I guess you could say Paul was.


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26 Nov 2007, 3:25 pm

you know guys i think you will find that the christians in america are the only ones who like to fight about god. why do you like fighting about god? its because you think your right. and everyone else is wrong. am i right? i have flipflopped about my religious point of views but thats because i had f-up parents that forced me to go to church. i do think you can believe jesus was god without being affeliated with a denomination. the bible is plagerised anyways and inaccurate, so im not worried.



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26 Nov 2007, 3:35 pm

There is nothing to discuss, because it is all nonsensical hogwash.


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