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22 Aug 2005, 7:38 pm

Since they have been devised a way of testing if a fetus in the womb is going to have downs syndrome, something like 90% of all fetuses tested with Down's syndrome have been aborted (along with a far number of pro-life Christians decided to abort fetuses with Down's syndrome). Once testing for Autism is developed for fetuses, I expect a similar rate of abortion.



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22 Aug 2005, 7:40 pm

I'm so against abortion.


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22 Aug 2005, 7:43 pm

I'm opposed to abortion too. Luckily, it will take more than a chrmosome analysis to detect Autism.



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22 Aug 2005, 7:48 pm

Sometimes that Down's syndrome test to kills the babies that its testing. Something should be done about that test. Its akin to making a non-disabled master-race.



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22 Aug 2005, 7:58 pm

I'm moved this to the politics forum for obvious reasons.

I also beg and plead with all of you to pleeeeeeeeease keep this nice.


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22 Aug 2005, 8:12 pm

There is another thread, a recent one, with the exact same title. In fact, I thought this was it until I opened it...confusing.

Anyway, I'd like to know: how do you think the parents who aborted the Down's babies would have parented them? Would those children have been loved and valued? Perhaps some of them would have been...parental instinct does that. What about the others? What scenario do you envision that would have been a better choice than abortion, because realistically, I don't know if it would be possible to find adoptive homes for them all. Mere physical survival is <b>not</b> adequate for any baby or child.

Who would make the choices for these babies if they had severe birth defects requiring extensive surgery? How would they live, who would love them?

These questions haven't been answered for the neurotypical population at large yet. Babies who are not autistic or Downs are being aborted because the mothers cannot afford to have them or the dad is a flake, or for a mulititde of other reasons. If a woman is forced to have a baby when her health can't handle it, who should be liable if she dies? If she can't work while she is pregnant and she's the sole breadwinner in her family, or even a necessary contributor, and you think there should be legislation saying, too bad, quit your job, have the kid and adopt it out, who will compensate the family for the loss of her job and wages?



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22 Aug 2005, 8:31 pm

chamoisee wrote:
There is another thread, a recent one, with the exact same title. In fact, I thought this was it until I opened it...confusing.

Anyway, I'd like to know: how do you think the parents who aborted the Down's babies would have parented them? Would those children have been loved and valued? Perhaps some of them would have been...parental instinct does that. What about the others? What scenario do you envision that would have been a better choice than abortion, because realistically, I don't know if it would be possible to find adoptive homes for them all. Mere physical survival is <b>not</b> adequate for any baby or child.

Who would make the choices for these babies if they had severe birth defects requiring extensive surgery? How would they live, who would love them?

These questions haven't been answered for the neurotypical population at large yet. Babies who are not autistic or Downs are being aborted because the mothers cannot afford to have them or the dad is a flake, or for a mulititde of other reasons. If a woman is forced to have a baby when her health can't handle it, who should be liable if she dies? If she can't work while she is pregnant and she's the sole breadwinner in her family, or even a necessary contributor, and you think there should be legislation saying, too bad, quit your job, have the kid and adopt it out, who will compensate the family for the loss of her job and wages?


In answer to the loss of earnings etc, i think people are more important than this me-me obsession in society today. Babies are lives not transactions. I dont want abortion banned altogether but it the laws are far too liberal right now. The way society is going there will probably be Abort-a-Baby drive-thrus in the not too distant future to make our live for the moment consumer society that little bit more convienent.

As far as how the people that wanted to abort them would parent them, i cant speak for everybody but my big brother and his girlfriend had the test to check for Downs and that caused a misscariage. I presume they were planning on abortion but as they already have one Downs child and really love him i think that would make it likely that they would care for the child they tried to abort if it was born.



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22 Aug 2005, 8:37 pm

i think people should just stop breeding and abort any accidental pregnancies. anyone who wanted a baby should adopt one. downs or autism is no reason to abort on it's own, unless the parents feel they can't take care of such a baby. but all in all i support abortions.


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22 Aug 2005, 9:41 pm

I dont see how anyone could support the killing of an innocent life. They dont deserve to have their lives taken away from them for any reason. Life is a gift and taking that away from someone is murder.



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22 Aug 2005, 9:56 pm

I don't know if I agree with that. Autism (especially mild) is very different than Down Syndrome.

I'm for abortion, and I'm also for abortion when it comes to children with mental redardation or diseases that will kill them before the age of 20. But those are just my opinions, everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as they keep it they'res.

Personally, the only way I WOULD have an abortion is if there was something seriously wrong with my baby, but not autism.


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22 Aug 2005, 10:52 pm

nayashi wrote:
I don't know if I agree with that. Autism (especially mild) is very different than Down Syndrome.


Autism and Down Syndrome are complete opposites. Almost. I have siblings with Down Syndrome, they are obviously mentally ret*d, but they have superhuman social skills and major empathy. I don't believe mental retardation is neccesarily a bad thing...like autism. I'll use my sister, Miki as an example. Miki loves to clean, something not uncommon in down syndrome/ret*d+OCD types. A fufilling job for her would be wiping down tables in a restaraunt, or maybe, if she was very well trained, a maid in a hotel...jobs that would drive a person of normal intelligence mad. I feel mentally ret*d people fill a place in society...just like autistic people. And once people realize this they will not feel their down syndrome children are "defective", and will be more likely to keep them. It's really not any harder to raise/live with a Down child than a normal one.

On a similar note, did you know that 99.5% of children put up for adoption right when they are born are adopted before they are a year old? My Mom is a foster parent involved in adoption awareness

BTW, I'm pro-life



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22 Aug 2005, 11:47 pm

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I'm so against abortion.


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Then don't have one.

Don't expect someone else to ruin their life for a broken condom....



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23 Aug 2005, 12:46 am

Mockingbird wrote:
On a similar note, did you know that 99.5% of children put up for adoption right when they are born are adopted before they are a year old? My Mom is a foster parent involved in adoption awareness.


I think the reason why women decide to have abortions is becuase they know that it's a lot easier to give up a child they've never met than one they have. I'm all for adoption, in fact, I plan on becoming a foster mother and adopt those children who were not fortunate enough to be adopted before they were a year old (if their parents died or whatnot), because people tend to want babies, not just children.


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23 Aug 2005, 12:50 am

I also agree that Down Syndrome and Autism are two opposite disorders as well. There are far too many people who think that these two conditions mirror each other. My Father was one of them, probably still is, judgeing by the way he treats me, sometimes. Getting back to the Topic of abortion, I don't think that any Fetuses should be aborted for any reason. I feel that all Babies have the right to be born into this world. A person is only "Handicapped" if they possess a complete inability to use either their bodies or their Brains, or both. Only than, can I consider a person to truly be "Handicapped".



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23 Aug 2005, 12:52 am

nayashi wrote:
On a similar note, did you know that 99.5% of children put up for adoption right when they are born are adopted before they are a year old? My Mom is a foster parent involved in adoption awareness.

I think the reason why women decide to have abortions is becuase they know that it's a lot easier to give up a child they've never met than one they have. I'm all for adoption, in fact, I plan on becoming a foster mother and adopt those children who were not fortunate enough to be adopted before they were a year old (if their parents died or whatnot), because people tend to want babies, not just children.


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23 Aug 2005, 1:04 am

Sorry about the mess. It's getting very late in the Night for me. :oops: