Did it occur to you maybe you're Schizoid and not an Aspie?

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Mw99
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22 Dec 2007, 2:58 pm

I recently learned about Schizold Personality Disorder and it sounds an awful lot like Asperger's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_P ... y_Disorder

ICD-10 criteria
According to the ICD-10, schizoid personality disorder is characterized by at least four of the following criteria:

1.Emotional coldness, detachment or reduced affection.
2.Limited capacity to express either positive or negative emotions towards others.
3.Consistent preference for solitary activities.
4.Very few (if any) close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such.
5.Indifference to either praise or criticism.
6.Taking pleasure in few, if any, activities.
7.Indifference to social norms and conventions.
8.Preoccupation with fantasy and introspection.
9.Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person.

DSM-IV-TR criteria
The DSM-IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines schizoid personality disorder as:

A. A pervasive pattern of detachment from social relationships and a restricted range of expression of emotions in interpersonal settings, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by four (or more) of the following:

1.neither desires nor enjoys close relationships, including being part of a family
2.almost always chooses solitary activities
3.has little, if any, interest in having sexual experiences with another person
4.takes pleasure in few, if any, activities
5.lacks close friends or confidants other than first-degree relatives
6.appears indifferent to the praise or criticism of others
7.shows emotional coldness, detachment, or flattened affectivity

B. Does not occur exclusively during the course of schizophrenia, a mood disorder with psychotic features, another psychotic disorder, or a pervasive developmental disorder and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a general medical condition.



Unlike Asperger's Syndrome, SPD does not involve an impairment in nonverbal communication (e.g., lack of eye-contact or unusual prosody) or a pattern of restricted interests or repetitive behaviors (e.g., a strict adherence to routines or rituals, or an unusually intense interest in a single topic). Instead people with SPD are typically more indifferent with regard to their activities. However, in a sample of schizoid children, Sula Wolff noticed that "Having special interest patterns differentiated highly between schizoid and control boys." SPD does not affect the ability to express oneself or communicate effectively with others, and is not believed to be related to any form of autism.



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22 Dec 2007, 3:05 pm

No, because I have AS.

And that sounds nothing like me.

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22 Dec 2007, 3:08 pm

I think it's more likely that I am schizophrenic and OCD/overly anxious or perhaps even bipolar than schizoid. I am highly affectionate, and although I don't have many close friends, I do have a few and I desire intimate relationships very much.

I just have way too many of the typical AS traits that aren't included in any description of schizoid personality disorder, such as obsessive interests, poor body language, etc.



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22 Dec 2007, 3:09 pm

Mw99 wrote:
4.Very few (if any) close friends or relationships, and a lack of desire for such.


I want friends, I'm just not good at making them.

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9.Lack of desire for sexual experiences with another person.

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22 Dec 2007, 3:12 pm

Perhaps as a child I seemed more schizoid in certain ways, but I think that was mostly due to confusion/communication difficulties. As an adult I seem the opposite of schizoid.



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22 Dec 2007, 3:16 pm

It mentions schizoid children,but according to this [and other information]:

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Schizoid Personality Disorder

* Beginning by early adult life, isolation from social relationships and restricted emotional range in interpersonal settings. These attitudes are present in a variety of situations and shown by at least 4 of:
-Neither wants nor likes close relationships, including family
-Nearly always prefers solitary activities
-Has little interest in sexual activity with another person
-Enjoys few activities, if any
-Other than close relatives, has no close friends or confidants
-Does not appear affected by criticism or praise
-Is emotionally cold, detached or bland

* These symptoms do not occur solely in the course of another psychotic disorder (such as Schizophrenia), Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features or a Pervasive Developmental Disorder.

* They aren't directly caused by a general medical condition.

It's age of onset is teen/adult years.
That would be a major difference between schizoid and aspergers.


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22 Dec 2007, 3:52 pm

If I don't have AS I've Schizoid Personality Disorder for sure. I meet SPD criteria but I have also many strange quirks typical for AS: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt39373.html Those AS symptoms appeared in me when I was a child.

Mw99 wrote:
Unlike Asperger's Syndrome, SPD does not involve an impairment in nonverbal communication (e.g., lack of eye-contact or unusual prosody) or a pattern of restricted interests or repetitive behaviors (e.g., a strict adherence to routines or rituals, or an unusually intense interest in a single topic). Instead people with SPD are typically more indifferent with regard to their activities.


And it puts me in the position of someone with AS not with SPD.



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22 Dec 2007, 3:54 pm

I'm sure I don't have this. because I can't shake off my desire for friendship.



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22 Dec 2007, 3:59 pm

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I'm sure I don't have this. because I can't shake off my desire for friendship.


I think I don't have it, either. For a long time I said to myself that I didn't care about not having friends, but deep inside I think I'd like to be friends with like-minded individuals who like me the way I am. I might be schizoid insofar as not being interested in having NT friends is concerned.



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22 Dec 2007, 4:01 pm

I was considered to have schizoid features twice before I was diagnosed with autism.

They saw that I did not express a lot of emotion and assumed I did not have it.

They saw that I did not have close relationships and assumed I was totally indifferent to them.

I also don't believe in personality disorders as real things, I think they're what happens when they try to medicalize the extremes of personality.

At that time in my life, I would have met maybe 3 criteria in the ICD one (but they would've seen more through assumptions), and 3 or 4 of the DSM one (but the DSM leans more towards things like "appears", which might have nothing to do with the reality), but would not meet DSM criteria anyway because of Criterion B (the part that says "Does not occur exclusively during the course of... a pervasive developmental disorder..." etc.

At this time in my life, I meet 2 or 3 of the ICD and possibly 2 or 3 of the DSM (only 1 for sure, but 2 of them are about appearance only again), and again would never meet the DSM one because I'm autistic.


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22 Dec 2007, 4:03 pm

Mw99 wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
I'm sure I don't have this. because I can't shake off my desire for friendship.


I think I don't have it, either. For a long time I said to myself that I didn't care about not having friends, but deep inside I think I'd like to be friends with like-minded individuals who like me the way I am. I'm schizoid insofar as not being interested in being friends with NTs is concerned.


Generally I can say I'd like to have friends but I don't know what I'd do with them then. They would like to drop in in the most inapropriate time, creating a disturbance in my daily routine even if in fact I wouldn't have planned any special activities for that day.



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22 Dec 2007, 4:04 pm

I'm sure I have AS. I was on the fence as to whether my husband has AS or Schizoid, but the more I read, the more I think it is AS.


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22 Dec 2007, 4:20 pm

You can have a Schizoid personality as a child, it is called "schizoid disorder of childhood" it is included under asperger's syndrome in ICD-10.
My psychiatrist says I have both aspergers and schizoid PD with psychotic symptoms.
I have become more schizoid and psychotic as I got older.
Many schizoid's have problems with social communication and interaction as they do not develop communication skills like NT's do.
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22 Dec 2007, 4:32 pm

No, I know I have AS.



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22 Dec 2007, 4:42 pm

It occurred to the psychologist who diagnosed me that schizoid personality disorder was a possibility. He checked for it, among other things, and decided that I had Asperger's.
I'm inclined to agree with him. Schizoids tend not to feel connected to anyone, while I'm quite connected to my family. I think of myself as having some schizoid tendencies though- some of the symptoms of Asperger's are similar.