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12 Feb 2008, 11:26 pm

I believe in tolerance and understanding but not in unconditional acceptance. What does that make me?



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12 Feb 2008, 11:28 pm

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I believe in tolerance and understanding but not in unconditional acceptance. What does that make me?

Human. In possession of the raw materials of a soul.


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12 Feb 2008, 11:31 pm

I work in a dishroom with a redneck that likely has nowhere to go. I am kinda mad that he often leaves the place half-arsed when he leaves, but help is help I guess. In a way I respect him because we don't judge and we are often judged. Though I live in a Neoconservative suburbia of Nashville, most are just football jocks with plenty of necessary farm and enterprising knowledge.


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13 Feb 2008, 12:26 am

He he.. I like the idea, but it's sorta wrong. :?



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13 Feb 2008, 1:16 am

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"I agree entirely with the principle of libertarianism. People should be free to accept or reject Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and they have the right to do stuff that the Bible opposes (like adultery) if they so wish: - it is their problem when they reach Judgement Day and have to account for rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour. Faith is only faith if it comes from a pure heart and nobody can force a pure heart upon someone: - it has to come within. "

There lies the problem, anyone with different religious beliefs can not even be spoken of in a positive light. "Oh I won't judge you for being a sinner and burning in hell". You could try keeping that ignorant crap to yourself when dealing with people of other beliefs. I noticed it appears you also praised Mel Gibson for an anti-semetic tirade (I've barely heard anything about gibson's tirade but you appear to be confirming it). This sounds rather psychotic, cuts kinda close to kkk does it not?.....



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13 Feb 2008, 1:47 am

So your supporting someone going on an anti-semetic lunatic fringe, but you claim to be such a "proud christian".... According to your bible, jews are god's chosen people. In fact, Jesus was jewish. Does that get you flustered bubba lol?

(PS, DevilInPgh, pay attention, because you wanted to call me anti-semetic for not supporting zionism, now I'm saying something in defense of jewish people, not to make a point to you but because I feel it is right, but hopefully this also proves I don't have a problem with judaism. But you've got to see me defending as well as criticizing before you can pass such judgement on me).



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13 Feb 2008, 9:38 am

Gibson's got major personal issues, and if his mouth spoke from his heart on the night he criticized the Jews, he is headed for trouble on Judgment Day. There's no such thing as a Christian who hates people. The Bible is clear on that:

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing." (1 Cor 13:1-3)

If you always hate people, and fully want to, you're simply not a Christian -- that's obvious in the Bible:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." (Matt 7:15-19)

In other words, if it doesn't talk love and walk love, it's not a servant of the God of love.

"Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord', shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?' And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.'" (Matt 7:21-23)

So, how about that? People can think they're Christians, but their hearts aren't right with God, and at the end, Jesus will essentially say, "Sure, you used my name everywhere you went, for your own glory, but you were never my friend, because you were not a friend to those in need. You ignored those who needed your help. Therefore, goodbye." No loveless person can enter Heaven, even if he or she is great in all other ways.


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13 Feb 2008, 10:31 am

Rednecks (along with their urban counterparts, Ghetto thugs) are a drain on our society. They are taking america back to primitive ways and they make our country look bad. Plus they are stupid, violent, and listen to crappy music.


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13 Feb 2008, 10:57 am

history_of_psychiatry wrote:
Rednecks (along with their urban counterparts, Ghetto thugs) are a drain on our society. They are taking america back to primitive ways and they make our country look bad. Plus they are stupid, violent, and listen to crappy music.


That I can agree with, the ghetto thug is essentially the black man's red neck. Although not all blacks are ghetto thugs, and not all whites are red necks.



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13 Feb 2008, 11:00 am

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Rednecks (along with their urban counterparts, Ghetto thugs) are a drain on our society. They are taking america back to primitive ways and they make our country look bad. Plus they are stupid, violent, and listen to crappy music.


What are the key tests to determine who is a redneck? How are they different from Bubbas and Good Ole Boys?



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13 Feb 2008, 11:27 am

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Hey, actually I am from a southern bloodline, so I have the right to b***h about rednecks (and I'm giving non-southerners the right here to b***h about them too). Actually I am rather ashamed of having this "southern heritage".... A people who have made NO mental progress since the witch trials, what else is there really to say about rednecks? They freaking belong in a zoo with the other apes.


Redneck are getting more intellect. Southern states are getting rich in comparison with Northern ones. It must be down to all the interbreeding though the generations. that result in Redneck developing specialist ability by keeping those traits in the family. Their interbreeding is an extreme version of racial purity. This goes to explain why they were racist to.

Another logical explanation from the most racialy pure aspie in this site :|



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13 Feb 2008, 11:31 am

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snake321 wrote:
Hey, actually I am from a southern bloodline, so I have the right to b***h about rednecks (and I'm giving non-southerners the right here to b***h about them too). Actually I am rather ashamed of having this "southern heritage".... A people who have made NO mental progress since the witch trials, what else is there really to say about rednecks? They freaking belong in a zoo with the other apes.


Redneck are getting more intellect. Southern states are getting rich in comparison with Northern ones. It must be down to all the interbreeding though the generations. that result in Redneck developing specialist ability by keeping those traits in the family. Their interbreeding is an extreme version of racial purity. This goes to explain why they were racist to.

Another logical explanation from the most racialy pure aspie in this site :|


Really? Look, a redneck with a brain is like a fish who can play football.



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13 Feb 2008, 12:07 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
snake321 wrote:
Hey, actually I am from a southern bloodline, so I have the right to b***h about rednecks (and I'm giving non-southerners the right here to b***h about them too). Actually I am rather ashamed of having this "southern heritage".... A people who have made NO mental progress since the witch trials, what else is there really to say about rednecks? They freaking belong in a zoo with the other apes.


Redneck are getting more intellect. Southern states are getting rich in comparison with Northern ones. It must be down to all the interbreeding though the generations. that result in Redneck developing specialist ability by keeping those traits in the family. Their interbreeding is an extreme version of racial purity. This goes to explain why they were racist to.

Another logical explanation from the most racialy pure aspie in this site :|


We Southerners have the work ethic and lower taxes that makes us prosperous.


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13 Feb 2008, 12:09 pm

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I was just fired from a job I had worked HARD at for over 4 yrs, because some stupid f***ing redneck decided I was his verbal punching bag to take his aggressions out on, and because he was my boss, I was apparently supposed to suck him off or something like that, look, I don't take abuse from the f***ing president, ok?
I'm not bowing down and kissing someone's ass just because "they outrank me". Might does not equal right.


I couldn't agree more. Obviously, I was also fired from that job as part of the bargain. I thought that was it, but that particular employer decided to continue to make life difficult for me by infringing my religious freedom as well.



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13 Feb 2008, 12:21 pm

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I'm not taking sides, sometimes minorities do get special benefits though, through a bunch of PC institutions..... It's arguable if theyr needed or not (I'd say to some extent they are probably necessary, though sometimes it's overblown as to try and condition a dependence on the system, symptoms of a nanny state on the horizon), I'm against affirmative action but I'm totally for putting a new system in it's place that'll both help minorities get jobs, while also making sure that majorities aren't discriminated either. I haven't quite figured out yet what such a new system would be like, but I'm sure something like this could be worked out.
Illegal aliens get free health care, while citizens here can't afford to see a doctor. I do see that as a problem. I've got no problems with hispanics, really it has nothing at all to do with them being brown. I'd say the same thing if they were white european aliens (and I actually hate calling them aliens, because they are humans still, but I dunno another word to use that sums it up though). I mean I feel bad for their plight, but we've got to work on our own economic survival. I do support something to help Mexico out, just not at our own economic expense. I think getting rid of NAFTA would help greatly, and I wish the people of America and Mexico would work together to bring NAFTA down. Then legal immigration would also be easier for mexicans. Really NAFTA are the ones stirring up this border issue.
The only major difference between right and left is the right is biased against minorities (ethnic people, women, gays, non-christians) whereas left wing is biased against majorities (whites, males, straights, christians). Often times those biases come out as wanting rewards for belonging to a certain group. But often these rewards come at the expense of another group. This is all divide and conquor crap really. The answer is somewhere in the middle, however, most people glorify mindless group think and refuse to meet in the middle. Compromise, and the ability to look at oneself critically and keep an open mind, must be the lifeblood of any truely free nation where diverse peoples live together. Compromise is the essence of freedom and equality. Both freedom and compromise, ignored in the ignorance of mindless group think in today's society.
Politics is not an easy thing really, because to be progressive, you've got to try and look at everyone's point of view and balance them all out. Bias is the easy, feel-good way where people fall victim to their own ignorance in the end. It's easier to let others think for oneself than to bite the bullet and look at themselves critically, and think independently. It's always easier to blame someone else, and this is what is expected of people, it's encouraged. In reality, everyone has contributed to this catastrophe, blacks, whites, browns, reds, and yellows, christians, jews, atheists, budhists, muslims, pagans, and hindus, males, females, gays, straights, bi's, everyone. But, they've all been lead by the collar.


The only thing that is wrong with NAFTA is that it isn't a blanket free trade deal i.e. the USA can protect some strategic industries, but Mexico has to allow certain key industries of its own to be undermined. Similarly, the USA still subsidises many things heavily. However, I don't have any sympathy for Mexicans who moan about NAFTA simply because they are less efficient than their US competitors. In a meritocratic system, people win the business by being good at what they do and if the Mexicans are producing goods that are lower quality, lower value etc, then tough.

I agree with what you said about how giving an unfair advantage to one minority group can disadvantage another. A classic example is how bloody feminists are pushing for multi-tasking to be over-emphasised in the workforce to give women an unfair advantage, thereby disadvantaging people on the autistic spectrum.

It is likely that heterosexuals are a majority, but I am not sure Christians, whites and males are. The UK's Christian tradition has been critically undermined by several evil forces, of which immigration is only one and so the proportion of the population that are practicing Christians is minuscule. In most societies in the developed world, women account for a larger proportion of the population than men, mainly due to life expectancy differences; Qatar and the UAE are notable exceptions. Whites are very much a minority in the UK and USA. In the USA, they have collapsed as a proportion of the population due to illegal hispanic immigration. In the UK, their proportions have dropped as a result of immigration from goodness knows how many different countries: - in the UK, no single group of immigrants has managed to predominate like the hispanics do the USA.



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13 Feb 2008, 12:25 pm

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I don't care about rednecks either way. Conservative bigotry will soon be dead and forgotten. Heh, graemephillips, mention your belief about the traditional patriarchal family structure around some San Francisco liberals. You probably wouldn't be hated as much as simply laughed out of the room.

Homophobia as well. Sure, gay marriage is still illegal in most states, but tremendous progress has been in it's acceptance in modern America. You could be institutionalized in the past, and now it's practically hip. :lol:

I'm no hippy, I'm more middle-ground than liberal or conservative; I drink coffee black and I enjoy a good steak, but you can't fight progress because progress will always win as humanity improves itself. I respect people's individual beliefs in religious conservatism, but it's a personal issue that should not be forced into public policy.


Do you think I should support homosexual marriage just for sake of appearing trendy? I will live my life as I see fit and I don't make keeping up with the curve a priority. Many people would strongly disagree with my views on these issues, but say that I am a principle-based person, because my views are firmly grounded and aren't ruled by what it is fashionable to believe.

Regarding what you said about San Francisco, I couldn't care less because I wouldn't want to go there anyway.

I intend to fight some forms of "progress". Progress is only good if it fits in with Christian teaching and I intend to resist those elements that don't and support those that do. Change for the sake of change has nothing to offer society.