11 Mar 2007, 5:17 pm
11 Mar 2007, 7:57 pm
kidwiththereplaceablehead
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13 Mar 2007, 1:19 am
sunnycat
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13 Mar 2007, 1:34 am
13 Mar 2007, 1:39 am
i might sound like and old fart
but
"At least it's better than the most of that "thud thud thud"
Or that "ra ra ra ra"
They play on the radio now days! 
on a side note isn't she a goth???
or EMO or something like that?
i like her skater boy
kidwiththereplaceablehead
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13 Mar 2007, 2:15 am
13 Mar 2007, 2:19 am
sunnycat wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Starbuline wrote:
A lot of you guys need to STFU. Don't insult members for liking a certain artist. If you don't, that's fine, but please don't take it out on othe WP members. Be kind.
everyone has a right to like what they like....but not to believe lies that devalue an entire musical movement. it's not that they like her that i have a problem with....it's that they believe the lies put forward in the packaging of her performance.
i'm sorry if i wasn't clear on this point before. it's not the liking of the performer (which, she's a performer, not an artist). it's the lies and devaluing something that was a very important part of my life.
Umm..I'm not well informed on punk music, please excuse me for that, I was expressing my disappointment in Avril Lavigne because I thought she was different from other commercial singers and later on I realized that she was just as much as commercial. Meaning, she presents a well developed image which does not express her soul and deepest personalities, which does not stem from her own creative energy, and which aims at material gain and fame. I think nobody should devalue an entire musical movement. If Avril was borrowing from punk music, then she should have been clear with what she was doing and not present herself as a real punk musician. And the borrowing should have been done in a respectful manner, giving due credits and within the allowed limits... (I'm thinking in terms of quotations when you write a paper...like...when you quotate, you should avoid plagiarism...)
word. avril lavigne is very much a case of mixed signals with the whole punk thing....and most of her followers attached to the punk thing...but it wasn't really punk, it was cheap, fake rebellion.
if you liked her older stuff when she had more rock sounding music, check out the band zolof the rock and roll destroyer....an awesome pop punk band with synths and female vocals. not as refined and polished as lavigne...but that's part of the punk culture....the idea of not being polished...the art is in the roughness, you know?
and she did say some bands who were "punk." kinda part of her whole promotion of the image...the funniest one being a band called the d4....this is mainly because in the actual punk scene, there's a band called dillenger four...and, yep, they're refered to by many as d4....the band she refered to is a popular rock band named the d4 who played a form of garage rock/proto punk that was very popular at the time. pretty much demonstrating and entire lack of credibility...not to mention people who actually are from the punk scene and introducing people from the outside normally go with the old school bands because it's all about knowing the roots of the music....it just gets less pure and more convoluted from that point. so if i was suggesting punk bands, i'd more say bands like the dead boys, the clash, stiff little fingers, and maybe for a modern one, throw in something a little more obscure that i like....like jaya the cat or bomb the music industry.
but yeah....the whole thing was just a well-crafted marketing scheme and nothing more with avril.
if you want real punk, i'd be glad to point you in that direction.
13 Mar 2007, 2:24 am
13 Mar 2007, 2:27 am
kidwiththereplaceablehead wrote:
Maybe we were all a little harsh i used to like GC after all and would have defended them till the
end. but its the question everyones asked since Strummers law was first thought up do people sell out on perpose or are they victems of the record companys. do you no what Olga (frontman of comedic punk band toy dolls) says when asked about pop selling out etc he just laughs. look ive been in forums all over the net and all they do is argue about so and so's a sell out there a bunch of possers this and ive been guilty of arguing back but frankly most of these guys on these forums are probly just nerds who never played a guitar in there life i was one for many years and still am to a pretty big extent but who cares. avril is pretty annoying if you ask me but shes not that bad. think of how much other genres have changed by comparrison to punk dispite all this talk about it being dead i think its really been pretty stuborn over the years and hasn't dare i say it changed all that much. so why don't we all (myself included) go out and get a life.(no affence. as my mum always says when ever i get into a never ending aspie debate (usaully by that point the person i was argueing with has left the room several hours earlyer) "just drop it"
-SORRY-
end. but its the question everyones asked since Strummers law was first thought up do people sell out on perpose or are they victems of the record companys. do you no what Olga (frontman of comedic punk band toy dolls) says when asked about pop selling out etc he just laughs. look ive been in forums all over the net and all they do is argue about so and so's a sell out there a bunch of possers this and ive been guilty of arguing back but frankly most of these guys on these forums are probly just nerds who never played a guitar in there life i was one for many years and still am to a pretty big extent but who cares. avril is pretty annoying if you ask me but shes not that bad. think of how much other genres have changed by comparrison to punk dispite all this talk about it being dead i think its really been pretty stuborn over the years and hasn't dare i say it changed all that much. so why don't we all (myself included) go out and get a life.(no affence. as my mum always says when ever i get into a never ending aspie debate (usaully by that point the person i was argueing with has left the room several hours earlyer) "just drop it"
-SORRY-
with regards to this post....one comic comes to mind...
but that's different from avril lavigne which was marketing purely from the start...the same with pink.
13 Mar 2007, 6:00 pm
14 Mar 2007, 1:28 am
kidwiththereplaceablehead wrote:
Maybe we were all a little harsh i used to like GC after all and would have defended them till the
end.
end.
Oh, I remember my GC days. I got a lot of s**t for liking them!! !
kidwiththereplaceablehead
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14 Mar 2007, 3:36 am
kidwiththereplaceablehead
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14 Mar 2007, 3:39 am
14 Mar 2007, 4:24 am
14 Mar 2007, 4:30 am
skafather84 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
I like her a lot more than I used to.
She's grown up.
She's grown up.
people like that don't grow up. they just pay people to write slower, more "mature" music.
She has. She's ditched a lot of the no good attitude and tom boy phase.
*sigh* i'll put it in real simple terms for you. IT'S ALL AN ACT TO FOOL YOU INTO THINKING SHE'S SOMETHING SHES NOT. SHE'S NOT REAL, HER "PUNK" PHASE WASN'T REAL AND NEITHER IS HER CURRENT PHASE, IT'S A MARKETING PLOY TO DUPE PEOPLE TOO STUPID OR TOO LAZY TO GIVE A SPIT.
easy enough? there is no phase other than the one that her manager or record exec tells her to take.
it's fake. you're gullible. and the music sucks anyways.
Whatever trevor.
Tell someone who cares.
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14 Mar 2007, 10:48 pm
