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JakeWilson
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24 Mar 2008, 9:25 pm

I felt like I would take some time to describe my experience as a pro-life activist Aspie.

My obsession has often been politics and particularly issues such as abortion. All week long, I often wish I could talk to people about abortion and how I think it is wrong and also I wish I had more freedom to say all the controversial beliefs I have about abortion and to talk about them all day. However I feel muzzled in some ways from being able to speak controversial anti-abortion statements whenever I want - in class, in random social events, or in the library. In so many places I feel constrained - a lot of it because of NT society status quo socially acceptable rules. Sometimes, especially when I have just watched the news and become disgusted with the pro-choice movement's advances - I just want to run down the hall and tell the first stranger I see about everything wrong with abortion, whether they want to listen to it or not. But I have to hold my tongue. It does not help the pro-life cause when people put no behavioral constraints on their language in advocating for the unborn.

This happens week in and week out sometimes. But when I go to protest the local Planned
Parenthood, I feel like there is at least MORE freedom for me to BREAK THE STATUS QUO NT RULES!! When I protest, it is the one time in my life that this Aspie can hold powerfully controversial signs such as "Abortion Stops a Beating Heart," "Planned Parenthood Hurts Women," or "4038 babies killed in Bryan by Planned Parenthood since 1998." The one time when I can not only hold signs similarly to these, but ACTUALLY GET PRAISE FROM THOSE AROUND ME FOR DOING SO! It is a great liberation to speak my mind and not feel like I am breaking some NT social rule and alienating my friends. There are other things that go with protesting too. I can actually PACE BACK AND FORTH with my sign so that the cars traveling on both sides of the street can see them. In many public places such as airports and grocery stores I do not have this freedom to pace back and forth and process all my thoughts. If I do it in those places airport security or grocery store management might call me down.

There are NT protesters with me of course and there are some girls in our group who are trained to try to talk a girl out of going into the clinic to have an abortion. I let those people do all the talking because they can relate better to girls and because they can be better at social skills than me.

I realize that not all Aspies are active in social causes, but as an Aspie who thinks a lot about these issues I get tired of a culture which praises and encourages apathy in people. I have been told by people that if I don't stop being so opinionated I will never have a girlfriend, and have been encouraged at times to "not talk too much" about abortion. Sometimes though in a social group when I can't find anything else to talk about the urge to talk about the pro-life movement can be so bad it is like trying to keep from throwing up.

If I can make one more point, I would encourage my fellow Aspies to not disregard the pro-life community. There are some people with little respect for people on the autistic spectrum who talk about SCREENING and ABORTING autistic unborn. The pro-choice movement in my opinion is no friend to the Asperger's community. Just something to keep in mind.



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24 Mar 2008, 9:33 pm

Welcome to PPR forum. I'm Pro-Life too, but I've never protested.



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24 Mar 2008, 10:03 pm

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Welcome to PPR forum. I'm Pro-Life too, but I've never protested.


Thanks for the Welcome. I've been posting some on PPR but this is probably the first topic I have started myself (could be wrong about that one).



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24 Mar 2008, 10:04 pm

I am pro-life as well. I do not disagree with your views on abortion, but I am a little concerned that you associate "Pro-Choice" with "NT Status Quo", being that as of October 2007, 54% of Americans oppose 98% of all abortions. That's a majority, even if not by much. That number is growing everyday, though.



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24 Mar 2008, 10:12 pm

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I am pro-life as well. I do not disagree with your views on abortion, but I am a little concerned that you associate "Pro-Choice" with "NT Status Quo", being that as of October 2007, 54% of Americans oppose 98% of all abortions. That's a majority, even if not by much. That number is growing everyday, though.


Well I guess I should clarify something. I feel the pressure on someone to not be too spirited about their beliefs is an NT Status Quo rule, at least in American culture. I was however linking the Pro-Choice movement with the screenings of babies with autism.



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24 Mar 2008, 10:27 pm

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ivetastedflight wrote:
I am pro-life as well. I do not disagree with your views on abortion, but I am a little concerned that you associate "Pro-Choice" with "NT Status Quo", being that as of October 2007, 54% of Americans oppose 98% of all abortions. That's a majority, even if not by much. That number is growing everyday, though.


Well I guess I should clarify something. I feel the pressure on someone to not be too spirited about their beliefs is an NT Status Quo rule, at least in American culture. I was however linking the Pro-Choice movement with the screenings of babies with autism.


Thank you for clarifying.

I am scared to death at the thought of screening babies and throwing them out if they aren't perfect. It's a morbid reality, only a matter of time, and it makes me sick. I read an article yesterday about Home Screening Kits to detect a predisposition to Bipolar Disorder. It made me really, really sad.



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24 Mar 2008, 10:29 pm

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JakeWilson wrote:
ivetastedflight wrote:
I am pro-life as well. I do not disagree with your views on abortion, but I am a little concerned that you associate "Pro-Choice" with "NT Status Quo", being that as of October 2007, 54% of Americans oppose 98% of all abortions. That's a majority, even if not by much. That number is growing everyday, though.


Well I guess I should clarify something. I feel the pressure on someone to not be too spirited about their beliefs is an NT Status Quo rule, at least in American culture. I was however linking the Pro-Choice movement with the screenings of babies with autism.


Thank you for clarifying.

I am scared to death at the thought of screening babies and throwing them out if they aren't perfect. It's a morbid reality, only a matter of time, and it makes me sick. I read an article yesterday about Home Screening Kits to detect a predisposition to Bipolar Disorder. It made me really, really sad.


Yeah it is pretty disturbing!



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25 Mar 2008, 12:43 am

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JakeWilson wrote:
ivetastedflight wrote:
I am pro-life as well. I do not disagree with your views on abortion, but I am a little concerned that you associate "Pro-Choice" with "NT Status Quo", being that as of October 2007, 54% of Americans oppose 98% of all abortions. That's a majority, even if not by much. That number is growing everyday, though.


Well I guess I should clarify something. I feel the pressure on someone to not be too spirited about their beliefs is an NT Status Quo rule, at least in American culture. I was however linking the Pro-Choice movement with the screenings of babies with autism.


Thank you for clarifying.

I am scared to death at the thought of screening babies and throwing them out if they aren't perfect. It's a morbid reality, only a matter of time, and it makes me sick. I read an article yesterday about Home Screening Kits to detect a predisposition to Bipolar Disorder. It made me really, really sad.


Newsflash, that's not why most people have abortions. Anyway, it's a woman's own choice, so what does it have to do with you?



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25 Mar 2008, 1:00 am

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Anyway, it's a woman's own choice, so what does it have to do with you?


Is an infant's life owned by either the mother or father? It may be their responsibility to care and provide for the child, but it is not their choice as to whether the child may live-or at least it shouldn't be, although it currently is.



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25 Mar 2008, 1:15 am

I had an abortion once. It was a tough decision, but at the time I felt it was necessary. I wish I could have made a different decision, but at the time I was too young.

You know what was the hardest part? Having to walk the girl I love into that building, having to hold her hand through it all, having to try and comfort her loss after the fact.

You douchebag protesters can all go to Hell in my opinion, for they were outside when we went there. If I were given a license to kill just once in my life, it would be used on them. Your petty and simple judgements have no place in life, you're not f*****g God, don't use his word as your own.

All you bring is even more sadness and pain, you fools are worse than the Doctors you try to assassinate. GOD, YOU ARE SO GREAT, LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE WROUGHT!

Edit: I was so angered I failed to read the rest of your crap. Hoo-fucking-rah for your feeling of acceptance, even at the cost of others. I'm glad you find happiness in rallying ignorant masses against the fallen and distraught. You're surely the crusader, in the most biblical terms. I only wish you'd take a trip to the middle-east with that title.


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25 Mar 2008, 1:46 am

A mere edit will not suffice here. Too much left unsaid, sorry for double posting.

But...what the hell are you pro-life people thinking? Even abortion has it's guidelines and limitations, do you really fancy yourself that high and mighty as to pass judgement? Not to sound cold, but abortion is taken place before a human being can even think. "I think, therefore, I am."

Don't you use condoms? Birth control? Ever try the morning-after pill? Who are you to say when life becomes precious?! Who are you to say every child deserves life in this God forsaken World, if that child's parent's were not ready to love and care for the child?

That very child you sought to save and felt so self-righteous in doing so, may very well come back to slit your throat for it. I wish I would have been aborted, I wish I wouldn't have seen this awful world for what it was. 6 *billion* f*****g people, probably more, in this world now. And just look at how many die and suffer each day because we can't support them.

If you *really* loved your child, and knew you couldn't support them, would you make them suffer so? Do you believe in the fairytale that giving that child up to another solves anything?? This isn't God's land, this is Earth. And earth is temporary, it's resources limited. Your way of thinking has already led us to damnation, why do you seek to further it?

The next time you cry about some unfortunate soul having an abortion, you'd be much wiser to turn your blind eye to all the other losses in the world. But, of course, you don't care. You just want to be right, to be "just."

God, I'm so glad I'm an atheist.


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25 Mar 2008, 5:21 am

Bluesummers wrote:
But...what the hell are you pro-life people thinking? Even abortion has it's guidelines and limitations, do you really fancy yourself that high and mighty as to pass judgement? Not to sound cold, but abortion is taken place before a human being can even think. "I think, therefore, I am."


A very good point. Considering that most abortions take place in the first trimester, it is necessary for pro-life activists to not confuse a biological life with a human life.

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Don't you use condoms? Birth control? Ever try the morning-after pill? Who are you to say when life becomes precious?! Who are you to say every child deserves life in this God forsaken World, if that child's parent's were not ready to love and care for the child?


Yes, pro-life activism is arbitrary in it's stance. A sperm and an ovum are mere cells by themselves, but the moment they unite it's a human life that can think and feel and have a relationship with God.

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That very child you sought to save and felt so self-righteous in doing so, may very well come back to slit your throat for it. I wish I would have been aborted, I wish I wouldn't have seen this awful world for what it was. 6 *billion* f***ing people, probably more, in this world now. And just look at how many die and suffer each day because we can't support them.

If you *really* loved your child, and knew you couldn't support them, would you make them suffer so? Do you believe in the fairytale that giving that child up to another solves anything?? This isn't God's land, this is Earth. And earth is temporary, it's resources limited. Your way of thinking has already led us to damnation, why do you seek to further it?

The next time you cry about some unfortunate soul having an abortion, you'd be much wiser to turn your blind eye to all the other losses in the world. But, of course, you don't care. You just want to be right, to be "just."


IMHO, The pro-life stance is a well meaning one, but to pass judgment on another human being in such a situation is both despicable and naive.


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25 Mar 2008, 8:51 am

hear hear Bluesummers. Well said.



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25 Mar 2008, 1:31 pm

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I realize that not all Aspies are active in social causes, but as an Aspie who thinks a lot about these issues I get tired of a culture which praises and encourages apathy in people. I have been told by people that if I don't stop being so opinionated I will never have a girlfriend, and have been encouraged at times to "not talk too much" about abortion. .


I can really relate to being disappointed that more people aren't involved with social causes. My hat's off to you.

That being said, I have never been able to get very emotional about fetuses unless they're almost fully developed. Maybe abortion kills a person. Still, I don't have any emotional reaction about whether its life gets ended by abortion or not. I think I'n not alone in that thought but people like to admit it.

I am really annoyed by some serious hipocracy on both sides. The pro-lifers who say that every unborn life is sacred and killing fetuses is murder and, yet, somehow, they can say that a life created from rape and incest is okay to kill-- those people are as bad as the KKK.

On the other side, the pro-choice politicians who say that a terminating a fetus isn't murder or killing anyone and then the next thing that comes out of their mouths is that they. personally, find abortion repugnant -- they can't have it both ways. If it's not taking a life, then why do they personally feel it's bad for them?


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25 Mar 2008, 1:49 pm

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On the other side, the pro-choice politicians who say that a terminating a fetus isn't murder or killing anyone and then the next thing that comes out of their mouths is that they. personally, find abortion repugnant -- they can't have it both ways. If it's not taking a life, then why do they personally feel it's bad for them?
Key word: Politicians. Of course those snakes are going to slither their way out of such a sensitive subject to avoid any liability, their ambitions always take precedent over what they may or may not believe in.


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25 Mar 2008, 1:50 pm

Bluesummers wrote:
Don't you use condoms?
No
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Birth control?
No
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Ever try the morning-after pill?
No

I just don't have sex whatsoever.
Bluesummers wrote:
Who are you to say when life becomes precious?!
Who are you to say when life becomes worthless?

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Who are you to say every child deserves life in this God forsaken World, if that child's parent's were not ready to love and care for the child?
They shouldn't have been having sex if they weren't ready to love and care for the child.

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That very child you sought to save and felt so self-righteous in doing so, may very well come back to slit your throat for it.
That's argument by consequences. If I let you get away with this I'll have to issue you Pascal's Wager...

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I wish I would have been aborted, I wish I wouldn't have seen this awful world for what it was.
You still can be, heck you don't even think your life is precious...

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6 *billion* f***ing people, probably more, in this world now.


6,602,224,175 (July 2007 est.) and if each were given an equal allotment of usable land we'd each have half an acre apiece.

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And just look at how many die and suffer each day because we can't support them.


Not can't, but don't. There's more politics involved than there is economics.

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If you *really* loved your child, and knew you couldn't support them, would you make them suffer so?


Don't have sex if you don't want children.

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Do you believe in the fairytale that giving that child up to another solves anything??


People who can afford to adopt can support them.