Do you think I should join a cult

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Here is the situation

1)I have my own obscure religious views about religion and no mainline Christian denomination was ever able to satisfy my needs. I have been looking at passages such as Luke 9:61,62 in combination with Matt 7:13 and they convined me that first of all there are FEW true Christians (Matt 7:13), and secondly, those FEW are to abandone their homes, etc (Luke 9:61,62). I have always wondered how is it possible, and kept refusing to believe anything anyone tells me taht ti is symbolic because saying such would be "wishful thinking". Well, wouldn't cult give me exactly what I am looking for in this regard? When they will COMAND me to stop contact with my relatives, etc. it would automatically solve all of my concerns about Luke 9:61,62 ! !! And besides, I am sure if microchip implant will ever become mandatory any and every cult will provide a place to hide. As you can tell, I imagine Jesus as a cultist and can't help doing that. What makes it even more difficult is that I have to IMAGINE Jesus, I don't KNOW what it means to "have faith" as opposed to "works" it is all an abstract concept to me. I tried imaginning Jesus sitting on a chair in the same room as me for few days since I simply didn't know any better, and I drove myself CRAZY. Plus I never know just HOW FAR to take Jesus' statements such as Luke 9:61, 62. Well, I would say that the cultists whom I can SEE have a huge advantage over the INVISIBLE CULTIST in that at least I don't have to keep IMAGINNING them sitting there since I simply SEE them there. So instead of constant mental exercise, simply show up on a meetings or whatever. And besides I don't have to GUESS just how "tough" Jesus getts since I am TOLD what the expectations are!! !

2)Given how I don't have any friends due to my Asperger's I always wanted to escape to another dimension so to speak, since I can't stand it any more. A cult wwould be a nice way of doing so. I know the whole thing about mind control. And I agree cults ARE disractive WHEN IT COMES TO NT. But being an Aspi, I feel like I am doing to mysself far more than cult ever would. I mean I am taking bible SO literally that even Jehovah Wittnesses told me I am too literal and should let go of things. Plus, as for structural environment, perhaps it won't let NT to be their own person. But to an aspi, won't it give just the structure that they need? Well, I admit I might not have problems with changes or whatever. But I am sure as hell structure will help me make friends. In real life I don't konw how to approach people. In a cult they will deliberately befriend me, etc. FOR SURE the life in a cult is less fulfilling than normal life. But MY life RIGHT NOW is MUCH less fulfilling. So between less fulfilling and MUCH less fulfilling I will choose LESS FULFILLING. I also have a HOPE that may be I would find a girl friend more easilly for myself in a cult since I am so obsessed with religion that it would be shared interest right there. And also I won't have to explain to her why I am too shy to introduce her to my mom. Since I am in a cult, I am to cut off all the contact from my mom anyway!!!In other words, I would joing a cult.

To be more concrete, I just learned that the guy at my laundary is a member of United Church of God. I feel really lucky because that church believes in keeping strictly kosher, observing Satrday Sabbath and all Jewish holidays; and of course they believe in Jesus. I am comming from Jewish background and started to believe in Jesus on my own. But I still believe Jewish laws are binding (Matt 5:17), although I admit there are PLENTY of verses that tell otherwise. But just like other Messianic Jews, picked and chose Matt 5:17 because of WISHFUL THINKING since being Jewish makes it repulsive to identify with mainline Christianity. However UN-like other Messianic Jews I am VERY MUCH self aware that this is nothing but wishful thinking. For this reason I want to find someone OTHER than Jews who would keep the Old Testament laws, because this would reassure me that wishful thinking isn't taking place there. For quite a while I was fascinated with British Israelism for that very reason. On the one hand a lot of people who adhere to these teachings adhere to Old Testament laws; but on the other hand they do NOT have an agenda to please Jews since they believe British ppl are the true Israel. Somehow this combination of keeping Jewish laws and at the same time not neceserely pleasing Jews always had a unique taste to it that somehow pleased me. I am a big fan of obscurity I guess. But I never actually tried to locate any of such groups other than web sites. United Church of God also holds to British Israelism, so this is also a big plus.

Either way, this thread is about Asperger as opposed to Jewishness. So lets go back to the subject: do you guys agree with a general idea that it is good for aspies to join cults since the cult would give structure to the life they so need.

And by the way, one thing that was mentioned on a website that criticised the United Church of God ( http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/ucg.htm ) is that they have "confessions" and then the next Sabbath they would OPENLY discuss the content of the confession -- NO NAMES MENTIONED. Well, since no names mentioned, I just laughed when they referred to it as a "guilt manipulation". You see, I would LOVE for someone to discuss everything I am doing wrong for 2 hours, since I was hurt so much when ppl just simply left me without any discussion or explanation at all when I didn't even KNOW what I ddi wrong. So yah, the website accused the church for not forewarning a person ahead of time that the privite confession will be publically discussed. Well, I read the website, so I was forewarn. But it only will ENCOURAGE me to confess every single aspect of my life, since I would LOVE such a discussion.

In that very website they also mentioned about their plans to escape to "place of safety" from the antichrist. Well given how I alreayd am concerned about mark of the beast comming, again, thats what I want. And besides, it will be just an excuse to escape the world where I feel so belittled by not having friends.

Anyway what do you guys think?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

For your own safety, don't! It's your own decision yes, but you can find other ways to belong. We'll accept you here with open arms. Don't risk your sanity.

i absolutely agree with soma, roman.

Don't do it man!

Do you really want to be brainwashed and controlled? Cults are dangerous. If you thinking is disturbing you to the extent you describe, a psychiatrist may be of more help than a cult leader. Honestly.

WhileI respect your wishing to formalise your faith and your wish to belong. Cults are not the way to go. I once attended Humanist meetings, (well intentioned people who did not believe, I left because they were beginning to lose sight of people and concentrate on "the enemy") and saw the help they gave to those getting away from many cults. Guilt and disorientation are commonly used to keep people in line. Even where you are told that no names are mentioned following a confession, it is leverage you are handing people experienced in manipulation. They may believe that what they are doing is for the right reasons, but there are people who go through years of psychiatric treatment as a result. The experience you are looking for will not be found by giving your identity away,
While I recall...
One chap told me that having wasted years with a group, he had come to the realisation that his God wanted him to follow through conviction, no matter the difficulty, not abdicate all responsibility, which was what happened in the group.

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Cults are bad mmmkay, don't join cults mmmkay.

Just join Jews for Jesus.

Sounds like you are really just looking for more stucture and security in your life? Perhaps there is some sort of secular group you could join to provide that sort of thing in a safer environment- like a sports group or the army reserve or something.
Or perhaps you should join some sort of academic group that attempts to study the bible in an objective light?

I can sort of see what you mean by joining a cult I think, but the word cult usually has negative connotations to it- it tends to imply that you are being manipulated by someone else to further their ends.

Don't let yourself be used. I'm sure there are other ways to fulfill what you're looking for.

I heard a guy in a cult made hundreds of people kill themselves. NO.

No no, that was a guy in a kilt.

If you agree with the cult's beliefs and are willing to commit yourself to it, there's no problem with it, so long as the cult's practices are ethical.

No. A guy made his cult kill themselves. It was on tv.

There has been more than one instance of mass cult led suicide ilikedragons, but probably the most famous and the only one i have actually seen on the telly is the waco incident by David Koresh and his followers. To get involved with any cult is failing to take account for yourself and will only lead to trouble imo.

No!! Please don't do that!! A cult takes over your decisons and your uniqueness could be swallowed up by a cult. Cults are dangerous in my opinion. I've read about and seen way too many stories on Jim Jones, David Koresh and the Heavens Gate Cult to know they are very dangerous. Please don't get involved.

I know it's difficult to make friends but members of a cult, I don't think you could trust them!! !

Be Careful,
Mellow

Again, Bible already convinced me I have to "deny myself". So what more do I got to lose? Cults can only help me do something that I always thought of un-accomplisheable and were ashamed of inability to do it.



Okay right now it is NOT on a level of Jim Jones. People live in their own homes, hold their own jubs, etc.

The way in which it is cult is that ppl are supposed to miss job to attend services; they are reported to teh pastor if anyone catches them violating Sabbath or Jewish feasts; and also they are told exactly where to go to preach the gospel during the feast of tabernacles (they go all over the world).

However, I believe that Jehovah Wittnesses are pretty close to this level too, because I heard that JW will require you to attend bible studies 5 days a weak or something. But still there haven't been any mass suicides by JW-s so far.




At least i won't feel rejection.

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But the point is that Jews for Jesus isn't good for me because I know that they don't neceserely sincere as far as Jewishness goes; they simply WANT to believe Jewishness to attract ppl. I know cults are also insincere. But htey are insincere in ways other than THAT. So I find it reassuring if a cult made mostly of gentiles believes in keeping Jewish laws or whatever.

And by the way, yes I do attend messianic congregation for few years, LONG before I found that "cult". I believe that congregation is more Jewish than Jews for Jesus so I feel more comfortable there; although they are still a little too Christian in a sense they believe in trinity while I don't.

But still, simply attending a congregation doens't give me that structure that I need.