Repucussions of a hyperactive soul - Autism theory

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22 Oct 2005, 11:32 pm

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While it might surprise the people who know me well, I've thought for a while that Autism and things like it might be something at the Soul level (if there is such a thing). Such theories aren't exactly the most scientific of ideas... But they do hold some plausibility...

I have a scientific mind, I really can't believe in something unless I have credible proof. So why, you ask, do I believe in the supernatural? Do much evidence... There's something there... What if Autism is something to do with the Soul?

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23 Oct 2005, 1:23 am

The soul is spititual/supernatural, and you would be attempting to ananyze it using the methods to explore the physical world. If the soul is different in ASD people, you will have to find out through religions and their texts.

I thought that there are MRIs to prove that there are physical differences in the brain's structure and activity that results in Autism anyway?

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23 Oct 2005, 1:31 am

As far as I know MRIs don't show many differences in the Autistic brain...And those they do show are more symptoms of Autism, not the cause.

Though Religions and their texts aren't exactly the coverall knowledge base for the supernatural, they were, afterall written by humans...

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23 Oct 2005, 6:18 am

the concept of "soul" is an invention of man just as religion is. its part of the cultural evolution, which developed during settling of mankind. this is my conviction, and i dont have to prove it
imo as has something to do with the mind and nothing else.

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23 Oct 2005, 6:20 am

That may be true, the scientific community's understanding of the human brain has barely scratched the surface...

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23 Oct 2005, 6:37 am

yes, thats why the terminus "soul" is still so popular.
one example:
centuries ago christians condemned women do to death cause they did "witchcraft",
but they only knew much about herbs and diseases, maybe more than the christians monks did.
this must have been "supernatural" and therefor heretic...
nowadays no one seriously speaks of witchcraft... and in some decades i think the same will happen to the "soul" (except the musicstyle of course )
this is most plausible to me when i think about it. :wink:

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23 Oct 2005, 11:26 am

lenny77 wrote:

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this is most plausible to me when i think about it. :wink:

We'll find a scientific explaination for what we currently call a soul. But for now I will use the term "soul" for the aspect of individual humanity within me. I'm *not* saying it's magical or mystical, just not understood yet.

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23 Oct 2005, 11:58 am

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cool! that idea is definately usefull

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23 Oct 2005, 3:29 pm

GalileoAce wrote:

As far as I know MRIs don't show many differences in the Autistic brain

I thought it was fairly well established from neuroimaging studies that the brains of autistic people are structurally different to those of neurotypical people. It's just that science's knowledge of autism hasn't yet reached the stage where someone could diagnose an autistic person from an image of their brain alone. For anyone who's interested (and I must admit I'm not particularly) there's all sorts of information on this on the net, e.g.,

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From http://jon.sagepub.com/cgi/content/refs/14/1/8

Autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) is a lifelong developmental disorder characterized by impairment in socialization and communication. Neuroimaging research has shown abnormalities in the frontal lobes, limbic systems, and cerebella of individuals with ASD. Recently, abnormal developmental trajectories of brain growth have been reported, with increases in brain volume (in both gray and white matter) seen in younger rather than older individuals with this disorder. Despite 30 years of research, a reliable marker for ASD has not been identified. Therefore, routine neuroimaging for individuals with ASD is not recommended.

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From http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/n ... verna.html

Dr. Joseph Piven from the University of Iowa noticed a size difference . In the autistic brain, the cerebellum is larger and the corpus callosum is smaller. Another study showed that the amygdala and the hippocampus are different in an autistic brain. In an autistic these structures have densely packed neurons and the neurons are smaller than those in a healthy brain. Also, in the cerebellum there is a noticeable reduction in the number of Purkinje cells.

GalileoAce wrote:

...And those they do show are more symptoms of Autism, not the cause.

What do you mean by this?

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23 Oct 2005, 4:01 pm

I think this provides an intriguing perspective on what we now call autism.

Perhaps we should rename autism the retiring soul syndrome. I have always (in a karmic sense) been greatly interested in reincarnation philosophy. I have come to believe I am a reincarnation of a Mogul prince. He was a brave man, expanding his realm by word and by sword. In short, he was hyperactive. This greatly agrees with the idea of counterbalance. I now have Asperger's syndrome because I was once too active.

The Ancients know more, but my master Shiva has been all but silent. But has Shiva not known endless life?

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23 Oct 2005, 5:51 pm

I'm a person who believes very heavily in the mind, body, spirit connection as represented in (amongst others) transpersonal psycology. I believe that I am an intellegent spirt that has a body. I believe that the state of a person's soul may play a small part in how they encounter and interract with the world.

On the other hand, I do not for one minute believe that "It is purely a matter of the soul's will that can enable it to overcome autism's natural resistance to emerge from its cocoon."

How would one go about determining the will of the soul with any high degree of certainty?
What is this cacoon in relation to the soul?
How does a soul's will determine one's ability to emerge from anything?

There are also bio-chemical and structural issues in the autistic brain that play a significant role in the individuals ability to interact socially. These issues are not directly attributable to the will of the soul. whatever that is.

It's like saying, if I avoid gluten, cassein, and lactose, I will become an NT;
a statement that I find equally absurd.

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23 Oct 2005, 11:43 pm

Klytus wrote:

GalileoAce wrote:

...And those they do show are more symptoms of Autism, not the cause.

What do you mean by this?

I was referring to scans taken that had shown extra activity in an Autistic's fear center (I forget which part of the brain that is) when they were making eye contact. Such activity wasn't seen in "normal" brains.

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