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27 Aug 2008, 8:48 pm

greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
MrMark has informed me that he will change every poll I make whenever he feels like it,
based purely on his own inclinations and not on WP policy.

I think this is wrong.

If mods are allowed to run wild with however they wish to change people's posts and polls,
it brings into serious question whether or not WP is a place that people can present their views
honestly. I feel very much like leaving WP right now.

I would do an honest response here.

Giving your history, Ragtime, of how you make polls in which I agree that those are forced options, he changed your poll.

However, I think Ragtime has some point here, I think most probably would disagree with me, that is wondering about the ethics about the action, about changing the poll of someone else's thread, after all, it is his thread, and he had the freedom of doing so as he pleased (within the site's rules of course), so I believe the poll's options had to be according to his judgement, even if they are wrong, after all, that is the PPR forum, no one has to be right there, no one will get a consensus on anything, anyway.

Note, that I am not attacking anyone here, I believe Ragtime is probably making a big deal about this, but I am not sure if changing the poll was the correct ethical option, an honest opinion, and I am actually just questioning the action rather than making a solid judgement against or in favor of it.


It is the Opening Poster's decision as to what the poll options are, even if they aren't liked by anyone else. Basically, if you don't find the option that fits you, then you don't have to vote. Besides, the choices for presidential candidates are far worse in my opinion.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:51 pm

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Ragtime makes me feel threatened :( I feel like I can't post in safety anymore.


What the Heck? You've got an Uzi and you claim to feel threatened?



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27 Aug 2008, 11:06 pm

I don't think that mods should edit anything unless it is obviously offensive. not just something one mod doesn't like. I also dislike how they can edit posts, but never mention that they did or give a reason.



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28 Aug 2008, 5:26 pm

But, what if a mod is greatly offended by something, according to their own standards?


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28 Aug 2008, 6:40 pm

greenblue wrote:
But, what if a mod is greatly offended by something, according to their own standards?


Values to be weighed:

Personal feelings of moderator.
Feelings of group.
Freedom of speech.
Feelings of the individual that the moderator affects.



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28 Aug 2008, 6:47 pm

You neglected to mention the rules.

From time to time Alex or another moderator are offended by something. I always ask, "Which rules do you feel is being violated?" When Alex was offended by people supporting the murder of a bully with things like "He deserved it," I told him I felt it would be inappropriate to act. The membership eventually resolved the situation.


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28 Aug 2008, 7:26 pm

On other websites, where discussion is opinionated and wide open, there is a button at the bottom of each post, and the button is labelled "Report". Clicking on this button notified the Admins and Mods that someone is offended by the post or that the post violates the rules in some way. In many cases, its mere presence acts as a deterrent. In others, it is the final resort of people who do not want to continue posting for fear of harassment.

What does this have to do with Ragtime?

If the "Report" button were available, not only would Ragtime (and others like him) have a quiet method of notifying MrMark every time he feels persecuted for his religion or threatened by reality, but those whom he posts against would have the same recourse whenever he insults or slanders someone for disagreeing with him.

Anyway ... that's my Cr0.02 ...

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28 Aug 2008, 9:10 pm

Fnord wrote:
What does this have to do with Ragtime?

It is about Ragtime being unhappy with his poll being changed in one of his threads. Probably this might have had something to do with he, apparantly, leaving the site.


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28 Aug 2008, 9:50 pm

greenblue wrote:
Fnord wrote:
What does this have to do with Ragtime?

It is about Ragtime being unhappy with his poll being changed in one of his threads. Probably this might have had something to do with he, apparantly, leaving the site.

Ragikme is gone?

Never mind, then.


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28 Aug 2008, 9:56 pm

well, he could come back, you never know.


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29 Aug 2008, 9:20 am

He can come back freely, he's just sick of the verbal abuse and other crap.



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29 Aug 2008, 1:51 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
But, what if a mod is greatly offended by something, according to their own standards?


Values to be weighed:

Personal feelings of moderator.
Feelings of group.
Freedom of speech.
Feelings of the individual that the moderator affects.

Well, feelings are not suppose to be the motive for an action, supposedly, but no one is perfect I can tell you.

Another thing to be weighed about this, is the site itself, what is the goal of WP? part of it or perhaps most of it, is to promote autism to the public, awareness of it, and stuff like that, I assume, so what if some things get in the way when trying to give a certain image of the site to the public? Following this, we could say that some things are of more priority than one individual complaining and things like this.


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29 Aug 2008, 2:02 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Values to be weighed:

Personal feelings of moderator.
Feelings of group.
Freedom of speech.
Feelings of the individual that the moderator affects.

Well, feelings are not suppose to be the motive for an action, supposedly, but no one is perfect I can tell you.

Another thing to be weighed about this, is the site itself, what is the goal of WP? part of it or perhaps most of it, is to promote autism to the public, awareness of it, and stuff like that, I assume, so what if some things get in the way when trying to give a certain image of the site to the public? Following this, we could say that some things are of more priority than one individual complaining and things like this.

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Wrong Planet is the web community designed for individuals (and parents of those) with Autism, Asperger's Syndrome, ADHD, PDDs, and other neurological differences. We provide a discussion forum, where members communicate with each other, an article section, with exclusive articles and how-to guides, a blogging feature, and a chatroom for real-time communication with other Aspies.

alex wrote:
Wrong Planet's mission is to provide a safe place for Aspies to communicate freely....

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt46744.html


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29 Aug 2008, 2:58 pm

Well, perhaps saying "most of it" was an error, but I believe it should be part of it, because it is my understanding that Alex is an activist, which many members here admire and are thankful for, so there are some things to consider when protecting the image of this place, of course not without trying to make it balanced, but, sometimes (I think I should have putted that word) the admin will have to consider what would be the priority depending on the circumstances of course, wouldn't be?


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29 Aug 2008, 3:33 pm

Yes. Alex asked me to take responsibility for this. As I am not convinced that I, or any individual, always knows what's best, I have developed a team approach to moderation. I have no authority over other moderators. All moderators have a high level of autonomy, but all decisions are subject to peer review. Ultimately, we are each accountable to Alex, who may reverse any of our decisions. Any member who feels that they have been treated unfairly is encouraged to contact another moderator to see if they will advocate on their behalf, however, some members make it very difficult to advocate on their behalf.


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29 Aug 2008, 3:51 pm

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All Aspies?