Our own country

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Hi,

Someone in another thread mentioned that he/she thinks we should have our own country and language etc since we think fundamentally different than NTs.
I have allways wanted to create my own country. Is this crazy? Yes and no. Doable? definently.
Allthough I haven't thought it out in complete detail yet, in my country there would not be any politicians as such as in my opinion they are just power-seeking morons anyway and there is no reason to centralize power (as all politicians allways want). So there should be a system where everything is totally de-centralized, with no president/king nor primeminister. I just don't see the need for a figurehead. Instead would be in place procedures for everything, so that all eventualities had a way of being solved by various decentralized bodies which themselves don't have a leader/figurehead and so on down the pyramid (if you get my meaning). In other words an autonomous system. I don't really have time to elaborate too much at this stage. Also there would be no prisons at all as they don't work, and many other things.. (but I would have to write a whole book to explain it all )
There is one major problem with an AS state though.... what if there are kids born by the residents, who are NT??? what happens to them then?

They get on the computer and meet other NTs on the internet, oh, I don't know, some site called Right Planet I guess. Then they b***h and moan about never being able to fit in to Aspie society and feeling like they are some kind of aliens or something.

Have a look at the Autfinity project on www.aspiesforfreedom.com

just out of interest are there any systems or organisations that don't rely on a single focal point or leader? i'm sure that they are many that i cannot bring to mind. it's just that as humans we generally have an innate need for some sort of leader, whether it is a dominant character in a social group, government or religion. it may be different for a population with aspergers/autism, but for this reason i have slight doubt that a system such as yours would work as effectivly as ones that already exist, despite greed and countless wars etc.

please analyse my point with great critisism because i am tired and im sure that there are many flaws in my thought that can be discussed further. i also like the idea of a country with an alternative governmental system without problematic officials with biased judgements.

Discuss!! !! ! Steff x

/\ Yes, look at Netherlands and Switzerland

and since we are creating a volkstaat, how about having someone do all the dirty work, declare indepedence and write a constitution? Me thinks it's a great idea!

haha. Yes offcourse

Except, being AS, I would want everybody to have a nice time, so couldn't live with a bunch of NTs being unhappy and unproductive...

I think a system with no leaders would work better, because the leaders spend most of their time moving themselves into place to get more power, and a tiny bit of their time is actually spent on leading (i.e. making laws, etc). It is seen equally in big coorporations with countless VPs and other execs spending 90% of their time on 'office politics'...

If you start right at the bottom, each person could belong to a comunity group of say 100 people or so, which is small enough so that everyone knows each other (call it level A). Representatives from level A groups could then form together to create level B groups. There should be procedures in place for quickly removing representatives if they misbehave, so a no-confidence vote by group could remove that groups representative and elect a new sort of on-the-fly whenever the need arise (the groups are small so its easy to organise a vote). There are more levels, and also there should perhaps be groups or levels dedicated to various tasks (like roads, schools, etc). So a level D group (or whatever) could select reps to form a group responsible for schools (or hospitals, or the foreign ministry, and so on), that responsibility should be for a limited time, and should rotate between the other level D groups perhaps.
A level A or B group should probably also be responsible for doling out social securities because if everybody in your community group knows you it is more difficult for you to just be a slacker (or a criminal) and collect dole, you'd be more pressed to get a job or whatever. Also if you are having problems, the community group will notice and maybe help you out. (i.e. there should be a positive peer pressure). The idea being that a citizen is more involved in the whole running of the country, but at the same time is not totally forced to go vote on every little thing. And since the community group is set up to help individuals of the group (in a leaderless and democratic way) there will be less crime and thus much less need for prisons/police (I believe violent prisoners should get segregated to a large camp (forever?) where they fend for themselves, and non-violent criminals should pay back what they stole plus fines and plus community work and get helped to reform).
There are a lot of problems, I'm sure, with this sort of thing, but this was just out the top of my head, just to give everyone an idea of what I think.

Have you ever read the communist manifesto?

People often confuse communism and think that it's what the Soviets did or North Korea does. Real communism is nothing like that. Communism (as written about by carl marx) all about decentralized government, and happy people who work together, and share what they have for a common good. It sounds wonderful in theory, but in practice it is hard to implement.

I am all for a better political system that is less bloated and power hungry. But getting rid of centralized government, and running everything by a set of preset laws is not very feasible. When things change, you need to update the laws accordingly. For example, raising taxes in order to install new solar panels instead of relying on coal power. Who is going to decide how much to tax, and who to tax? Who is going to manage things like clearing farm lands to install the panels. How much will the farmers be paid for thier land. What if the farmers dont want to sell for a fair price? Should thier greed be more important then the country's energy needs?

You need some sort of centralized control center to handle these things and make decisions. Going to a general vote every time something needs to be decided can take weeks. Plus, the general public often times doesnt have the patience, or the time to research what they are voting on. It is much easier to inform a few people and have them make the educated decision then it is to inform an entire nation and have them vote. Just think about the last election. Most people voted for the president based on commercials, not exactly a fair and balanced source of info.

Also, centralized governments are good for things like responding to emergencies, and organizing large events. Small distributed governments cant do that.

also terrorist cells it seems, allthough they have a leader most often, but they function independently and even if the leader is removed.

Been wanting to write a constitution for a long time, unfortunately I never manage to finish my projects..

I'm all for an Aspie state...as long as we
don't call it Aspieland.

Well, that would be nice, but I don't think that it would be ours for a long time. NT's will conquer us!

wow, when can I move there? It has always been my dream to live in a country without prisons or jails.

I like the way you think.

Not only that, but is "fair price" even an analytical category? Just ask most economists about the fair price and they will think you speak about a fiction and kindly correct you. Any notion of just price and proper balance of desires is not an objective question but a highly subjective one. The farmers will not consider themselves greedy at all, and consider the state controlling, and yes, the country will see the farmers as greedy and the state as just.

I also question this kind of system. It appears to be built on anarchistic ideals. I also don't like a "community" based system, it seems too easily political in and of itself, and frankly, terrible for us who hate people. I want money so that way I can tell my fellow man to f*** off as I please to.

Move to Melchedziek then! Scammers' Away

Get ready to fight the Marshall Islands

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Umm... your comment barely makes sense in context, and hardly constitutes a rebuttal. I mean, I know of the micronation of Melchizedek, and the frauds thereof, but still... those don't have much to do with anything.

they did a good idea in the Paris Commune or basic idea to help the transition




couldn't the same be able to be done with decentralized governments and it would be easier as they are smaller and 'closer' to the people and easier and better able to suit the people needs, as each region is different and a federal government would f**k it up for all?

That's what I hear a lot from Libertarians of various types and decentralizers



couldn't said district and regional governments simply ask for federal help?



how so? Even if we do something that the majority of the world says is 'wrong' (smuggling and bootlegging lots of 'hard' drugs'; hosting and producing child porn, being a base for hackers who steal peoples' account, etc.) it'll take a while for them to be pissed off enough to invade us.

How would it get to that point?

Also, Well there's placing nukes in all the major cities. Related to that, a Samson Plan niggaz



I remember the term 'Aspergia' being used around a lot actually.



There's the group 'Anonymous' a.k.a. the /b/tards on *chan sites (well channers in general). They have no "leader" and basically follow the Stand-Alone Complex that was predicted in Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex