Les Bienveillants - What would you have done?
I am currently reading 'Les Bienveillants' in the original french ('The Kindly Ones' in english - it won the Prix Goncourt in 2006). It basically describes one german officer's experience of the second world war, and although I have only read about a fifth of it so far, it already raises many questions for me about what I would have done given the same situations.
So far in this book, he has witnessed and even taken part himself in mass slaughtering of Jews as part of his 'job'. And as it describes, noone (apart from a select few psychopaths) enjoyed this job - particularly when it came to killing women and children. But for the most part they got on with it and dealt with it as they could. In fact, it was even perfectly acceptable to demand a transfer for those that couldn't stomach the job.
It may seem to us, used to growing up in a free individualistic society, that this type of behaviour is unforgivable - that in the same situation we would die rather than have to murder innocent people. But what if we had grown up in a society that valued things that overall benefited the society itself and where individuals were only tools. During wartime, things are different, death is closer to everyone, people are more prepared to kill for the perceived safety of society.
So I am interested to hear what people think they might have done in the same situation. Would you have carried out your job - with distaste almost certainly, but efficiently and well and perhaps even with curiosity to see how killing would affect you (as for the character in the book)? Would you have requested a transfer (with probably no harm to your career) on the basis of not being able to handle the job (However, morally speaking is this really any better - just leaving it to others to kill, others who may be less kindly towards the victims and make them suffer longer before death)? Would you have spoken up and tried to do something about it - although this would almost certainly have resulted in your useless ineffectual death.
The only thing that might have helped would be to outwardly carry on doing your job, but when any opportunity arose, to help prisoners escape or thwart army plans. But this requires a confident duplicity that I at least could not do (and I am not sure many Aspie's could easily be duplicious, even in a good sense). I think that personally I would probably have either killed myself or gone insane from being forced to do that (and many did), but on the other hand, perhaps I would have got used to the job as most did, and would have just tried to carry it out effectively and with the least suffering possible.
Its worth thinking about, as statistically at least, the majority of people would have gone along with it and probably fewer would have openly opposed it than gratuitously enjoyed it. Thinking that we are inherently different from those who carried out orders in Nazi Germany is a fallacy.
Nah. Milgram obedience study. Most people would easily obey such orders, and moreso if they thought disobeying would cause them to be perceived as disloyal or unpatriotic.
That seems the most probable choice for the majority of people.
If not me, who?
Very few people will ever risk their own lives for someone else.
Schindler's List?
True, and also very sad.
Thinking that any two groups of humans are inherently very different is a fallacy. People are people are people, and neither time nor culture is very effective in changing that.
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WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
So far in this book, he has witnessed and even taken part himself in mass slaughtering of Jews as part of his 'job'. And as it describes, noone (apart from a select few psychopaths) enjoyed this job - particularly when it came to killing women and children. But for the most part they got on with it and dealt with it as they could. In fact, it was even perfectly acceptable to demand a transfer for those that couldn't stomach the job.
It may seem to us, used to growing up in a free individualistic society, that this type of behaviour is unforgivable - that in the same situation we would die rather than have to murder innocent people. But what if we had grown up in a society that valued things that overall benefited the society itself and where individuals were only tools. During wartime, things are different, death is closer to everyone, people are more prepared to kill for the perceived safety of society.
So I am interested to hear what people think they might have done in the same situation. Would you have carried out your job - with distaste almost certainly, but efficiently and well and perhaps even with curiosity to see how killing would affect you (as for the character in the book)? Would you have requested a transfer (with probably no harm to your career) on the basis of not being able to handle the job (However, morally speaking is this really any better - just leaving it to others to kill, others who may be less kindly towards the victims and make them suffer longer before death)? Would you have spoken up and tried to do something about it - although this would almost certainly have resulted in your useless ineffectual death.
The only thing that might have helped would be to outwardly carry on doing your job, but when any opportunity arose, to help prisoners escape or thwart army plans. But this requires a confident duplicity that I at least could not do (and I am not sure many Aspie's could easily be duplicious, even in a good sense). I think that personally I would probably have either killed myself or gone insane from being forced to do that (and many did), but on the other hand, perhaps I would have got used to the job as most did, and would have just tried to carry it out effectively and with the least suffering possible.
Its worth thinking about, as statistically at least, the majority of people would have gone along with it and probably fewer would have openly opposed it than gratuitously enjoyed it. Thinking that we are inherently different from those who carried out orders in Nazi Germany is a fallacy.
Well, personally I would have probably enjoyed the killing process, since I tend to have little empathy for living things as it is. I've never actually gone so far as to torture and kill living things for fun, at least outside a biology classroom, but in it I did get a thrill out of watching the worms and frogs suffer. I have often considered what it would be like to kill people indiscriminately, especially if the people were not particularly sympathetic, such as cops or politicians. I suspect that in 1930s Germany one could add Jews to that list.
I think the ultimate thrill would be to kill indiscriminately and live to tell the tale without fear of punishment, like in the death camps. In our society if one wants to take this sort of action one must be ready to die at the finale, or else rot on death row. Not having to die at the end so as to escape society's judgment would be nice. I suppose that's why cultures such as the Nazi death machine, or Pol Pot's Kampuchea, bring out the sociopath in people who normally wouldn't have a clue that they would be capable of enjoying mass killing.
In our society, people who voluntarily commit mass murder generally expect to die at the end, and are disappointed if they don't. Therefore one must be willing to not only kill others but also kill oneself. The combination of the two is rarer than somebody who would happily kill if placed in charge of Auschwitz, or somebody who would jump off the Golden Gate Bridge.
The Nuremberg Trials shows that the top Nazis never expected to face punishment for their deeds. Hitler, who killed himself rather than face trial, actually comes out as the bravest of the lot in this interpretation. Heydrich had been killed by the Czech underground. Two or three others simply vanished in the chaos of the war's finale, including Bormann and Mengele. Some others made it to places like Argentina, including Eichmann. Ten others were executed at Nuremberg. A novel was just released that posits a scenario where Heydrich lives, escapes from the Americans, and goes on to lead a resistance movement that tears apart the US-Free Europe alliance of the war and results in Vietnam-like social unrest in the US homeland.
I couldn't have done it. I couldn't even dissect a dead animal in science class without getting worked up, let alone a person who I didn't know who probably didn't want to die, who did nothing wrong but be themselves. This is assuming that someone like me would even be alive back then, either for lack of medical technology or because of the social climate at the time in regards to people with medical and physical conditions. I'd probably end up getting killed myself as a result, by trying to help them or some such, but it's not like I could feasibly carry out the alternative.
