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09 Dec 2005, 12:49 pm

catwhowalksbyherself wrote:
.... I am a keen stamp collector - of political propaganda stuff mostly from the former Soviet bloc and USSR - but am reluctant to go into that full time as it seems a "dead" area....


did you get a chance to see the collection of wartime russian posters in the tate? They were very... (searches vocab) striking, i suppose. 2/3 colour printing (red/yellow/black mostly). Lots of chiselled portraits of beards and peasant women marching wielding rifles. Been trying to track down similar stuff online.



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09 Dec 2005, 1:15 pm

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I suppose I would call myself a Christian Democrat. At heart I am a libertarian (socially and economically liberal); after having lived in the high-tax, high unemployment economy in Poland I felt that it was better for people to be able to make more of their own decisions than have an all-powerful nanny state and public sector. Poland is caught in a double whammy - not enough tax revenue to provide proper social services but enough taxation to stymie employment. The problems of that kind of economy are slowly being felt here....


For a self-confessed tory, you have come surprisingly close to describing an individualist variant on libetarian-socialism (aka anarchy! :o )

Have you considered individualist Christian-Anarchism?

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Christian Anarchists take seriously Jesus' words to his followers that "kings and governors have domination over men; let there be none like that among you." Similarly, Paul's dictum that there "is no authority except God" is taken to its obvious conclusion with the denial of state authority within society. Thus, for a true Christian, the state is usurping God's authority and it is up to each individual to govern themselves and discover that (to use the title of Tolstoy's famous book) The Kingdom of God is within you.

Similarly, the voluntary poverty of Jesus, his comments on the corrupting effects of wealth and the Biblical claim that the world was created for humanity to be enjoyed in common have all been taken as the basis of a socialistic critique of private property and capitalism. Indeed, the early Christian church (which could be considered as a liberation movement of slaves, although one that was later co-opted into a state religion) was based upon communistic sharing of material goods, a theme which has continually appeared within radical Christian movements (indeed, the Bible would have been used to express radical libertarian aspirations of the oppressed, which, in later times, would have taken the form of anarchist or Marxist terminology)


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09 Dec 2005, 1:35 pm

Psych - that room is my favourite in the Tate Modern. I go there a lot - they change it slightly every so often I think. (not every time I go to London, but it's my favourite gallery ever since I discovered Chagall there in 1997 when it was still one building on Millbank).

Google "Russian propaganda" or "Soviet propaganda" or related terms and there are many many sites (also try "plakaty" for sites in Russian or Polish - "posters" brings up too many forums). Also some eBay sellers, particularly from the Baltic States, have a lot of postcards - I don't buy many (although I will if they are postally used, since I am trying to find a postally used internal Soviet card with a commemorative stamp written in a non-Russian language - which is not as easy as it sounds), but often sneakily nick the image which is usually clear. If you want names of the best ones I can private message you.

Robert - I would be opposite you - in the bottom right-hand quadrant. Though I think that the top-right quadrant is where all rulers (almost inevitably unless they are Fidel Castro, Qadaffi, or the North Koreans) end up, regardless of where they started. Cameron would be bottom-right, though he will have to pursue top-right strategies to get elected as the public would expect a top-right crime policy. Brown, when/if he gets in, will be more towards the top-left, in terms of keeping a tight rein on managing things rather than letting it go as laissez-faire as Blair seems to expect. His habit of imposing once-off taxes (e.g. the £2bn on oil companies) on various groups to cure immediate budget shortfalls is worrying, as he is thinking in the short term rather than the long term; plus we've got to fund things like the Olympics and debt relief with a shrinking tax revenue...worrying from the so-called Iron Chancellor.

IMO Howard was in the top-right quadrant, probably higher on the authoritarian axis than on the economic axis. Taking into account his Eastern European origins, that figures (EE regimes tend toward the authoritarian and the collective rather than libertarian and free-market. How do I tell he had an EE upbringing? In a photograph his little sister is wearing a big Russian-style bow on the top of her head and in another his own daughter - brought up in his Jewish faith - is wearing same; at both times (1950s and 1980s) a very odd style of dress for an English girl). We were given a similar handout in A-level politics with the positions of the then cabinet. He was in the collective economy/authoritarian government sector. But as I said, I'd rather a leader of a country knew how to keep a hold of things than let them slide, and I don't think I'd like to live in a country that perfectly reflected my own opinions.

When I did that test I realised why I left the Labour Party (which in terms of its membership would be in the top-left quadrant) and didn't consider the LibDems (bottom-left), though I only did it during this summer while I was doing a bit of work in NI for the Alliance Party.

Bob Dylan had a wonderful line "Now I'm liberal to a degree/I want everyone to be free/But if Barry Goldwater thinks he can come here and marry my daughter/I wouldn't let him do it for all the farms in Cuba!"


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