Israel has more of a right to exist than the United States

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14 Jan 2009, 11:04 pm

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Interesting thing to make note, not all christians mantain the belief that Israel to be holy or special to the eyes of God, some make the statement of being irrelevant today, others believe otherwise, that jews are cursed for, supposedly, killing Jesus (a minority I assume) and are not to be thought to be the chosen ones anymore.


At the time that Jesus presumably lived and died, over 90 per cent of the Jews in the world lived in the Diaspora, that is in Babylon (Persia) and Assyria. A few lived in Rome, Greece or Turkey. They would not have even known of the existence of Jesus. So how are the diaspora Jews to blame? The only blame that could reasonably be laid was on an unruly mob in Jerusalem. The Christ-Killer thing never made any sense. And if Jesus was not put to death, presumably he could not remit the sins of many for there would have been no sacrifice. You can't sacrifice a lamb without killing it. The whole thing is nonsense. It is illogical.

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There we go, that is wisdom only many years of life can give you. I find all of your posts very informative and wise. :)


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15 Jan 2009, 12:28 am

well, that's true... but we're always getting beaten over the head with 'why do you always take Israel's side?' It wouldn't make much difference.

There's supposedly 73 versions of Islam, but only one is right (according to each version). They won't ever accept us, that's true.

Strangely enough, it's the hatred of Israel which is the only thing that keeps them together. They have a saying in the Islamic world

Me against my brother
Me and my brother against out cousin
But me, my brother, and my cousin against the outsider.

If the whole Israeli-Palestinian debate hadn't stratified into stone, like statues (hard, cold, impervious to damage, and not moving a bit in any direction) it might be different. But it's not going to change any time soon, on either side.



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15 Jan 2009, 5:19 pm

sethzack wrote:
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Thats great for you, if you have any tips on being a Christian that you'd like to share with a noob like me, please do. :wink: I'm trying to keep my mind open in this respect.


Well I don't know if I am the best to help you, I rarely go to church anymore but did enjoy when I went. I was reading the bible and I had a connection to it sometimes. When I went to church it was like the preacher was directly talking to me sometimes. I recommend going to church when you can, read your bible and try to have a fixed schedule for reading it, pray when you can not just when you want something good to happen. That is about it, I will try to help you with any questions you have. :)


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15 Jan 2009, 5:57 pm

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We (the Americans) have the right to be our own nation because WE WON A WAR? What does that have to do with anything?

Israel, on the other hand, was created as the result of a decision of a group of the world's leaders, the UN.

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First of all i'm half jewish myself.

1. Palestinians have more genetic similarity to the decendents of that region than current jews living there. So israel cannot be justified on the basis of racial rights. So what justification is there..ancient biblical nonsense. Its just a base for the hardcore of the jewish population who are slightly psychopathic. They are genetically incapable of building a stable society. Israel stands out as a repeated blight on the planet, because their population consists of people who never constructed their own normal society, and dont have the genes to do so.

2. Israel came to be, as result of backroom deals, and orchestrated pressure, which jews are experts at, and had been pushing for a prolonged period trying many different strategies. As an example of this kind of backroom pressure the war on iraq was the result of a think tank commisioned by israel called "a clean break"...google it, which wanted iraq's regime changed. All the people who wrote the proposal then ended up a few years later in the key positions in the bush cabinet and pushed for the Iraq War.

So dont give the impression that israel arose as some kind of independent problem solving process that the UN arrived at objectively. Jewish people planned and made it happen by brokering and dealing for the power to make it happen.

BTW do you know jews are very high in aspergers.



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15 Jan 2009, 6:51 pm

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First of all i'm half jewish myself..


1. Israel is justified for perfectly secular reasons, the anti-semitism you yourself exhibit for instance. The holocaust and ones of the past prove they needed a nation for self-defense.

2. Genetically incapable of building a stable society? You are a raving bigot.

3. Yes, they used political influence, even violence to get what they needed, who wouldn't? The Arabs had been killing them because Muslims tend to be religious fanatics.



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15 Jan 2009, 8:05 pm

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First of all i'm half jewish myself..


1. Israel is justified for perfectly secular reasons, the anti-semitism you yourself exhibit for instance. The holocaust and ones of the past prove they needed a nation for self-defense.

2. Genetically incapable of building a stable society? You are a raving bigot.

3. Yes, they used political influence, even violence to get what they needed, who wouldn't? The Arabs had been killing them because Muslims tend to be religious fanatics.


Anti-semitism. Thats just a stock reply. Anti-semitism is natural reaction to jewish shenanigans. Thats why it keeps repeating wherever jews go. Throughout their history problems, problems, problems. Every century problems. Financial markets in ruin..all by jewish hands and rampant greed. Iraq war..Jewish neo-cons and their rampant paranioa. Israel...problems, problems that go on and on, like nothing anybody has ever seen anywhere on this planet.

Problems, problems, problems, problems..why so many problems ?

Its the way jews behave that causes anti-semitism, and behaviour is genetic. Why is there nothing like anti-semitism anywhere else. Why is it only jews that elicit this repeatedly. Have you ever considered that it might be something that jews do that induces this....if you are jewish i doubt it. The jewish cultlike programming ensures you never consider that. The rest of us are disabled to think freely on the subject by guilt and confusion induced by three decades of cultural marxism (a development of communism which works through academia, media and socialist politics to induce guilt over normal instincts) and emotional manipulation by the controlled media...which is now re-enforcing the lie of a translation that iran wants to "wipe israel of the face of the map" with nuclear weapons at every opportunity..the new "weapons of mass destruction"..or should i say the jewish addiction to paranioa. Not hard to understand why they are so paranoid when you see the list of neurological disorders, they possess i put in the next post.

This is just whats going on now..so if all these problems are not the fault of the jews, then logically it must be something about everybody else that causes this..right..Everybody else must be the problem that causes jews to behave like this.. It must be something about natural man that causes anti-semitism, and so you are right to be wary, you are right to always be on your guard. Thats the whole concept right. People are intrinscially anti-semitic. Its never the way that jews behave that has anything to do with peoples reactions to what they do ?

Of course not..none of these problems could have ever been caused by jewish behaviour. How could i think such a stupid insane anti-semitic thing ?



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15 Jan 2009, 8:14 pm

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First of all i'm half jewish myself..



2. Genetically incapable of building a stable society? You are a raving bigot.


yes thats right..genetically incapable..i research this at an academic level. I can cite dozens of papers right now that show higher incidences of many neurological conditions in ashkenzai jews and israels populations. Aspergers, mood disorders, OCD, schizoid spectrum, Bipolar...all higher in jewish populations than any other, as well as countless ashkenazi genetic disorders.

What a cocktail. Many of these disorders, cause stubborness, insecurity, greed, psychopathy, paranaioa, delusions of victimhood, megalomania..not exactly what you need to build a stable society.

All this research has been done by jews themselves. Jews didnt invent psychology and now spearhead genetic research for no reason. They had to, to figure out what was wrong with each other.

Sure there are plenty of good jews. Much genius and productive creativity as we all know as well. Look at all the great science and storytelling. Unfortunately this appears to develop at a high price to everybody else, who have to put up every century with continual nonsense and rampantly dysfunctional or childlike irresponsible behaviour of one sort or another. If jewish people would just stick to what they are good at, science, storytelling and intellectual output things would be fine. Unfortunately that creativity and something about the basic jewish programming leads to greed and meglomania. With everything thats going on now in economic collapse and the instability caused by their paranioa and mad attitudes affecting USA politics, it is clear to see just why jews were banned from moneylending and holding political power throughout history.

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15 Jan 2009, 10:17 pm

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Thats great for you, if you have any tips on being a Christian that you'd like to share with a noob like me, please do. :wink: I'm trying to keep my mind open in this respect.


Well I don't know if I am the best to help you, I rarely go to church anymore but did enjoy when I went. I was reading the bible and I had a connection to it sometimes. When I went to church it was like the preacher was directly talking to me sometimes. I recommend going to church when you can, read your bible and try to have a fixed schedule for reading it, pray when you can not just when you want something good to happen. That is about it, I will try to help you with any questions you have. :)


arigato, my friend. God bless you!


Dou itashimashite and God bless you too. :)


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16 Jan 2009, 10:08 am

Who else other than the Jews frequently play (or abuse) that victim-card? Any minority group. Anyone whom society does not favour for whatever reason. Criticize a black person, they call you a racist. Criticize a homosexual, you're branded a homophobe. Criticize a disabled or mentally challenged person, and you're called something similar.

Even Neo-Nazis have developed their own philosophy of victimhood, which is how they propagate their hatred and justify their shenanigans. Aspies do the same thing.



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16 Jan 2009, 3:07 pm

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Who else other than the Jews frequently play (or abuse) that victim-card? Any minority group. Anyone whom society does not favour for whatever reason. Criticize a black person, they call you a racist. Criticize a homosexual, you're branded a homophobe. Criticize a disabled or mentally challenged person, and you're called something similar.

Even Neo-Nazis have developed their own philosophy of victimhood, which is how they propagate their hatred and justify their shenanigans. Aspies do the same thing.


Are you saying aspies are like Nazis? :?


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16 Jan 2009, 7:22 pm

Yes, because Aspies want to take over the world and get rid of everyone who is not like them. :P



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16 Jan 2009, 8:53 pm

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16 Jan 2009, 9:06 pm

Actually, the Romans had possession of Israel (Judea) at the BC/AD split. Herod IV (I think) was a 'client king' for the state, but it was a Roman possession at the time. The Seleucids (Persian Empire) had spent centuries (and centuries more) fighting with anyone, so most of the Hebrews were Romans (but not Roman Citizens, that came later).



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16 Jan 2009, 10:21 pm

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Yes, because Aspies want to take over the world and get rid of everyone who is not like them. :P


I don't really feel like that...


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16 Jan 2009, 10:24 pm

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Yes, because Aspies want to take over the world and get rid of everyone who is not like them. :P


I don't really feel like that...


Good. I don't like in that dreamworld, either.



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16 Jan 2009, 10:28 pm

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Yes, because Aspies want to take over the world and get rid of everyone who is not like them. :P


I don't really feel like that...


Good. I don't like in that dreamworld, either.


I think dreamworlds are for NTs and are illogical.


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