Attenborough, creationist hate mail for not crediting God
Interesting article in the Guardian.
Telling the magazine that he was asked why he did not give "credit" to God, Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."
Attenborough went further in his opposition to creationism, saying it was "terrible" when it was taught alongside evolution as an alternative perspective. "It's like saying that two and two equals four, but if you wish to believe it, it could also be five ... Evolution is not a theory; it is a fact, every bit as much as the historical fact that William the Conqueror landed in 1066."
Attenborough, who attended the Wyggeston Grammar School for Boys in Leicester in the 1930s, said he was astonished at manifestations of Christian faith.
"It never really occurred to me to believe in God - and I had nothing to rebel against, my parents told me nothing whatsoever. But I do remember looking at my headmaster delivering a sermon, a classicist, extremely clever ... and thinking, he can't really believe all that, can he? How incredible!"
In 2002, Attenborough joined an effort by clerics and scientists to oppose the inclusion of creationism in the curriculum of state-funded independent schools receiving private sponsorship, such as the Emmanuel Schools Foundation.
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Telling the magazine that he was asked why he did not give "credit" to God, Attenborough added: "They always mean beautiful things like hummingbirds. I always reply by saying that I think of a little child in east Africa with a worm burrowing through his eyeball. The worm cannot live in any other way, except by burrowing through eyeballs. I find that hard to reconcile with the notion of a divine and benevolent creator."
Attenborough went further in his opposition to creationism, saying it was "terrible" when it was taught alongside evolution as an alternative perspective. "It's like saying that two and two equals four, but if you wish to believe it, it could also be five ... Evolution is not a theory; it is a fact, every bit as much as the historical fact that William the Conqueror landed in 1066."
Attenborough, who attended the Wyggeston Grammar School for Boys in Leicester in the 1930s, said he was astonished at manifestations of Christian faith.
"It never really occurred to me to believe in God - and I had nothing to rebel against, my parents told me nothing whatsoever. But I do remember looking at my headmaster delivering a sermon, a classicist, extremely clever ... and thinking, he can't really believe all that, can he? How incredible!"
In 2002, Attenborough joined an effort by clerics and scientists to oppose the inclusion of creationism in the curriculum of state-funded independent schools receiving private sponsorship, such as the Emmanuel Schools Foundation.
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When we are free of terror, disease, racism, ignorance, and a whole host of other perils, then we can heed the words of Dr. Martin Luther King. Until then, Dr. David Attenborough is correct.
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Pffft....
Why is it when something good happens god gets credit, but not blamed when something bad happens.
Take hurricane Katrina for example. People praise god when a life is saved, but they don't blame him for the hurricane to begin with, they will just say 'nature caused the hurricane' but I thought god governed nature, you know..... like giving babies to women, creationism, ect.
God was terrible in the old testament, he killed people left right and center, so why wont people say that he is still doing so by using forces of nature to kill people today? Or through the wars caused in his name?
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Why is it when something good happens god gets credit, but not blamed when something bad happens.
Take hurricane Katrina for example. People praise god when a life is saved, but they don't blame him for the hurricane to begin with, they will just say 'nature caused the hurricane' but I thought god governed nature, you know..... like giving babies to women, creationism, ect.
God was terrible in the old testament, he killed people left right and center, so why wont people say that he is still doing so by using forces of nature to kill people today? Or through the wars caused in his name?
It's called "Religion" in general; and "Christianity," "Islam," and "Judaism" more specifically.
God created Satan, so evil must play a part in His plan.
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I was brought up with a healthy diet of Attenborough documentaries. He always struck me as a gentle man, excited with nature and passed that excitement on to his audience. I'm sure many who have gone on to study science subjects were influenced to do so by his love of the subject and that of several other popular science presenters such as Carl Sagan. It seems sick to me that creationists would send Attenborough hate mail wanting him to burn in hell. Sometimes I think we are still in the dark ages. He is a witch - burn him!
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People of all types can send hatemail to people of all other types, that some of them claim to be Christian wanting God to be honored by an atheist ... is meaningless. How many times on this exact subforum have Christians been ridiculed, provided hateful replies to, called derogatory terms and all the rest to a sickening degree? Does this poor and vulgar behavior mean the atheist on this forum are wrong? and does the hatemail by some "Christians" mean that they are wrong?
It's annoying because Christians are supposed to exhibit the fruit of the Holy Spirit ...
Christians are not supposed to exhibit a sinful nature...
So, writing hateful, discordant, or dissentious letters (or posting such messages) is not a Christian act, it is instead a sinful act, and any person who claims to be a Christian and who expresses hatred towards someone for not acknowledging God has committed a sin, and is therefore a hypocrite.
Fortunately for Atheists, there is no such "religious" restriction.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that, how about humanist organizations?
I mean, the ones who put signs suchs as "God probably doesn't exist" and stuff like that?
If a group of atheists belong to an organization or a movement, wouldn't they have some "restrictions"?
This seems clearly an issue of prejudice, in the case of putting down a given group or organization based on the behaviour of selected individuals, such as stating that all aspies are dangerous psychopaths because of few selected aspies going on shooting rampage.
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If a group of atheists belong to an organization or a movement, wouldn't they have some "restrictions"?
No.
(Other than "Robert's Rules of Order," applicable civil laws and regulations, neighborhood covenants, democratically agreed-upon customs, and the like, of course. But those apply to everybody.)
By-and-large, humanist organisations don't make up a lot of rules based on apocryphal writings of questionable veracity and then try to impose those rules on their members. Nor do the leaders of those organisations condemn everything that is fun or entertaining and then try to convince their member that they will suffer eternal torment for having a good time.
Additionally, I've never encountered an Atheist who expressed hatred towards me for not mentioning Isaac Asimov when discussion robotics, or Arthur Clarke during a lecture on satellite communications, or even Charles Darwin when the topic of breeding thoroughbred horse for speed and endurance comes up.
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They condemn capital punishment
Oh but I have encountered some atheists, from observing this site, expressing "hatred" and prejudice towards certain beliefs, and people who have certain beliefs, if I haven't, I probably would be replying to an empty post
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I really f***ing hate that argument form.
Why? It makes perfect sense to me, but maybe that is because I dont believe in god,
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