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When confronted by realities one cannot overcome, what use is your reasoning?

You haven't transcended any limitation of man or religion. Religion merely frames our limitations in a way which is easier to manage.



1) Nobody claimed such things can be proved. People left in wanting of such proof avoid the whole purpose of religion to begin with.

2) Religious texts like the Bible are indeed accurate. Take Genesis for example, what is that story really trying to say? It frames the concept of our creation and how we became who we are in allegory, but it's still accurate. Can we go back to the garden of eden? I suppose if you thought the garden of eden was a physical location and you had a jet you could use calculus to figure out how much fuel you would need to get there, but you're avoiding the whole POINT to the story!

I have as much respect for people who reject religion on the grounds that it isn't science as I have for creationists who try to take the Bible literally (which nobody can do anyway).

3) Agnostics are only atheists fooling themselves.

And I see the point of this verse (and my posting it) just flew right over your head.

You don't even sound like you've read the quote I posted, just as Bertrand Russel didn't sound like he'd even read the gospels. But oh well, I suppose you've just proven it's the height of autonomous intelligence to quote the words of those skeptical of religion to do your thinking for you, just not to read the gospels and actually find something that directly adresses them, because, you know, they're boring and have frequently been proven to be inaccurate and all that stuff skeptics like to say. And that anyone who finds anything of interest or value in the Bible must be a brainwashed sheep. Truly, you are overflowing with original thought.

Agnostics are non-commital on the matter and atheists believe that there isnt and are skeptical. What are you trying to say anarkhos. You could say everyone was fooling themselves but that in itself means nothing, you need to explain why if you expect to be taken seriously.

There are few agnostics that I would call "true agnostics". These are the ones that remain steadfast of their uncertainty and neutral position, but study the subject closely and form all angles. Most other people who call themselves agnostics are just lazy atheists who are afraid of sounding close-minded.

Thanks, i feel i am enlightening people every day. I have came to the conclusions i have myself as i used to be religious once but i would be lying if i said that i havent agreed with biblical innacuricies that others have pointed out but this was only after i started to question and doubt the bible. I have also read many pro-religious books (yes including the bible, not in the one sit-down though).

As i have already pointed out i used to be a christian and have came to a different position myself through questioning my beliefs. Where you ever an atheist and have you ever seriously considered their position with a fairly open mind?

[quote="eamonn"]Agnostics are non-commital on the matter and atheists believe that there isnt and are skeptical. What are you trying to say anarkhos. You could say everyone was fooling themselves but that in itself means nothing, you need to explain why if you expect to be taken seriously.[/quote]

I don't even know how to parse what you've typed. Here is my best try:

"Agnostics are non-commital on the matter<b>,</b> and atheists believe that there isn<b>'</b>t <i>[something missing]</i> and are skeptical."

"What are you trying to say anarkhos<b>?</b>"

"You could say everyone was fooling themselves<b>,</b> but that in itself means nothing<b>.</b> <b>Y</b>ou need to explain why <i>[something missing]</i> if you expect to be taken seriously."

Fortunately for me, <b>Thagomizer</b> pretty much summed it up in the next post.

Yes, take the piss you silly thing as you clearly have nothing to say that means anything. Your obviously upset that i have proved your BS non-points to be exactly that.

Well, seriously, I wouldn't expect anything more or less from the 700 club on this subject....

Not wanting to stir things up....but,

Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

Oh! And Happy Yuletide (it's 6:41am in U.K)
whatever your celebrating today have fun.

We will never know if there ever was an Adam or an Eve, nor will we know if they have navels if they existed.

so wot do u think of healing?

adam and eve never exicted

I was attempting to be humorous.

A bit like god saying, "Don't touch those apples".
Then hid behind a bush and waited...

The only thing that looks good on me is you.

(everything i do) i do it for you.

They got wives from the Other People .