10 things to know about China

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Some people on here from our previous threat seem to get into to grove of defending the actions of China. And even side with China over the USA. While I understand wanting to avoid war, and only doing so as a last result. I fail to understand HOW ANYONE could like this country's government. If you do, consider this:

10 things you have to know about China

1. Large scale forced human organ harvesting:

Organ Harvested from live Falun Gong adherents, in China Labor camps, hospitals, prisons and military facilities, started from 1999 till present

Reports:
- “bloody harvest“, by David Matas, Esq. and Hon. David Kilgour, Esq. Canada
- UN report on China organ harvesting

Video:
- CTV Newsnet Live: Press conference from Ottawa (on China organ harvesting)
(You need the latest version of Media Player to watch the video)

- Youtube Video: Press conference, by David Matas and David Kilgour:
Part1, part2, part3, part4

2. Largest wave of resignation from the Chinese Communist Party and its affiliated organizations is happening:

More than 47 million Chinese have quit the CCP till Dec. 2008, people are continue quitting at a rate about 44,000 to 56,000 per day in April 2008.

This wave started from the end of 2004. People post their statements on the Quit CCP Statements website (in Chinese)

Details information can be found from following 2 posts:

- China: 35 Million Chinese Quit the Communist Party, Apr.13, 2008
- Statistics and Q/A: 20 Million Chinese Quit the Chinese Communist Party, April 3rd, 2007

3. “6-10 office”, a modern Gestapo organization exists

Formed by former leader of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Jiang Zemin, the “610 office” has its central office in Beijing, and branches in all the Chinese cities, villages, governmental agencies, institutions, and schools.

Details: China’s Modern Gestapo (1)- Preface

4. Torture widely used in more than 300 Foreced Labor camps located all over the country

Details: List of China Modern Torture Methods (slideshow)

5. As many as 80 million Chinese died after the Communist party gained power since 1949

This number exceeds the total number of deaths in both World Wars combined.

Details: On the Chinese Communist Party’s History of Killing (external link), by the Epochtimes

6. 5000-year-long traditional Chinese culture was destroied by the Chinese Communist party

Especially in the 10-year-period “culture revolution”, from 1966 to 1976

Details: On How the Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture (external link), by the Epochtimes

Youtube Video: First half, Second half

7. Tibetan shot to death by Chinese soldiers, October, 2006

Youtube Video: Olympic host China -Their Soldiers Killing Innocent Tibetans

Reports: Video footage shows Tibetans shot in the back by Chinese soldiers, October 13th, 2006

8. Armed police publically open fire to villagers in south China, December, 2005

Place: Dongzhou village, Shanwei City, Guangdong Province, southeast China
Date: Dec. 6, 2005
Reason: Farmers protest the government plans of partially infilling the bay and build a new power plant

Details: Dongzhou protests, from wikipedia

9. Gulja killing- Handreds, perhaps thousands of ethnic Uighurs killed by armed police, 1997

Place: Gulja (Yining) city, Xingjiang, northwest China
Date: Feb. 5~6, 1997
Reason: calling for an end to discrimination against ethnic Uighurs

Details: Torture Campaign Leaflets, Amnesty International

- Rebiya Kadeer’s personal account of Gulja after the massacre on 5 February 1997, Amnesty International

10. Tiananmen massacre - June. 4, 1989

Thousands of students shot to death by tanks and soldiers on Tiananmen square in capital city Beijing in 1989

Place: Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China
Date: June 6, 1989
Reason: University students protested corruption, appealing for democracy

Source: http://chinaview.wordpress.com/10-thing ... out-china/

you just dont get it.

nobody, not me, not anybody, is trying to convince you that china is "nice".

it still doesnt mean usa has the right to attack.

THAT is what you need to get through your skull. forget about america's little vacation into insania, with your president bush, its NOT NORMAL to attack around, w the intentions to "make it better" for other countries.

i know about the torture, i dont care. usa cannot and will not attack china, and i can SWEAR to you, american politicians does not care about the torture either, cus they allowed americans to do the same w detainees at guantanamo and other bases, such as in central asia.

the world isnt some exciting cartoon, where captain america lifts the bad guy, and throws him into the slammer.
you need to wake up to the real world. the information you posted isnt a surprise to anyone who knows about china, its all old news. the arguments given to you, against a war with china, were given to you WITH the knowledge of the torture and the death and all that. because theyre unrelated.
*sigh..*

Never met anyone except one other guy, full of so much misinformation. To you, it seems there is never a justification to remove any government, except the USA. Which means, you are not a rational thinker. Are you sure you are Aspie, and not just Passive Aggressive?

People oppose going to war with China because they think it would cost a great of lives and hurt the USA more than we would gain. Not because there is never a reason to remove a government.

And you are wrong about the USA coming in at the last minute. We were there for 4 years. And without the USA, you would not have defeated Germany, twice. Russia only was able to advance because the USA delayed movement to cost Russian lives of that of American, because it knew Russia would be a our next victim.

You must be totally ignorant of the Cold War. And you must be young to think that WWII was that long ago. You know, we are still paying for it, and millions of people that fought for it are still alive and walking around.

A little off topic but while I DO believe in freedom and inalienable rights for Me personally, I honestly Do Not want freedom for others. This is particularly true of other Americans since I live in the United States. I also think that religious fundamentalists should be put int mental institutions but unfortunately the US constitution doesnt allow that.

Just because it isn't allowed in the US constitution doesn't mean it wouldn't happen.

Also, why the hell does everyone keep saying China is communistic? They're capitalistic and a dictatorship.

Moo, I'm a cow.

IdahoAspie, I absolutely despise China's immoral government. I just happen to think that we have no business telling another sovereign nation that is not beholden to us what they can and cannot do. World-policing is not the job of the United States. And even if it is, there are far, far worse places in the world to live than China.

Thanks for the blog post about china, AspieIdaho.

Do you live in Idaho, by any chance?

China is a communist country. That's why they call it The Communist Party of China, that's where that came from.

They are not capitalistic, though they are a dictatorship. (Hong Kong is capitalist.)

Yet, they trade with everyone, has stocks and so on. And there are sweatshops. Really, they used to be communist but with some changes they have made they managed to become capitalist.

Gorbachev also introduced capitalistic thinking, but he also decreased political power, which the Chinese did not.

Really, China is communist in name only.

That is true, but many countries don't actually follow the system they claim to. Eg. America is a "democracy", but what about the 2001 election screw-up? Doesn't sound very democratic to me.

In some respect their trade had much less regulation than western countries. Hong Kong is not that different from china. They share some of the autocracy and also a similar attitude to trade. Make no mistake Hong Kong is part of China.

IdahoAspie you are really misguided, china has the biggest army, and biggest navy in the world. Just look at the history of US campaigns against well manned, well trained forces. In short it can’t win, it won’t win, they have known this since the 70s. Besides America can and has learnt from china. The protectionism that US applies, make it hypocrite whilst insisting other countries remain open. You can’t get more trade restriction than you do in western countries.

Just because something doesn’t meet your ideals, doesn’t mean your ideals aren’t idealistic in the first place. Capitalism is just as idealist as communism I am no fan of communism.

You are so misguided about the economic benefit of a campaign. A war has never got any country out of depression. It can put a country into depression. The great depression was in part brought on by WWI and undoubtedly sowed the seeds for the resentment that cause WWII. America didn’t join the war effort straight away, because it was not in a fit enough state to do so until later.

thats your clue. what makes china communist, is basically the name "communist party", the choise of RED in their flag, and their pyjamas instead of ordinary suits, and their official title of "people's republic"
china has realized that they cannot stay communist, and survive, so they have abandoned the blood red communism that they once aimed for.
china is no longer a communist country, as a communist country is understood.

'We saved your ass in WW2'.

Thanks. Really, thanks. But it was a while ago. You can stop boasting now about your forced involvement in the war following Pearl Harbour. Cheers.

China is a world player, currently, historically, culturally, philosophically, artisticly etc etc. Now we admit their present government (which doen't actually represent the chinese people being a autocratic dictatorship) needs changing. But what has America done for us lately but start a lot of wars (being well late for the 2 that mattered) sorry i'm British, remember the blitzkreig? Where was uber Rambo then? nowhere. Sorry you are new boy on the block knocking the seasoned pro. Shhhhhhush!

Sorry I forget to mention their food. McShutupski do you want flies with that? have an auspicious day