Morality without God: the realm of Arbitrariness

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In your scheme above, without God existing He couldn't have said anything so how would the things He didn't say have moral properties?

It's been a few years since I read the book, but the main differences that spring to mind are that the heroine is in middle age by the time she goes through the machine, she goes through with ~ half a dozen other people, she doesn't have a significant boyfriend (there is no significant priest-like character in the book at all), and there's just a lot less 'woo' in the book. The book is overall more Saganesque.



The conclusion is incorrect. The final line should read, "Then nothing is sin," because sin is a subset of evil (ie, there are evil actions that gods of various religions do not say are evil).

Well.... right, but a lot of the issues seem to indicate that people genuinely vary in opinions about the Biblical standard.

Not to mention the Koranic standards, the Talmudic standards, the standards of the Upanishads, the standards of the Sutras...

The topic is about 'god,' but it doesn't specify which one.

The idea that the only way society can have morality is if society has a text written 5000 years ago by a desert tribe for a desert tribe about what one can or can't do is arbitrary and asinine to the nth degree. Anyone can write a book of arbitrary laws of morality and call it inspiration from god. Only true morality can be derived from a secular theory of morality and ethics. At least then the laws are justified by an explanation and not expected to be accepted because a Priest said so.

Utter nonsense!

ruveyn

What logical fallacy is that? Affirming the consequent? Or denying the antecedent? I think it's the latter.

Let's see

A = Sin
B = God says is evil

if A=B
if Sin is what God says is evil

and B=C
and God says is evil ..... ?

There is a problem here.
B=C doesn't follow
with this: "God doesn't exist"

unless you mean B="God" and C="doesn't exist" then
A=B would be "Sin is God".

It was just a flat-out sloppy syllogism; don't wear yourself out trying to fix it.

(Z + P - Y) / K = Sin is fun!! !

No no, Sin = opp/hyp. This is highschool stuff, really

It's pretty obvious......

Sin 90° = 1

No, that should read: Sin of 1/2 of pie is 1. Interestingly, the sin of an entire pie is 0. I guess God figures at that point it's its own punishment...

pi/2 is the same thing as 90 degrees.

Real men use radians.