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27 Oct 2004, 8:41 pm

From here on, no direct personal attacks are to be allowed on these forums. If you have to criticize someone, do so in a courteous, constructive manner. Please be kind towards other members of the site and treat others as you wish to be treated. We will remove posts that contain personal attacks which insult a fellow WrongPlanet member. This is just a friendly reminder from your neighborhood WrongPlanet.net admin.



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27 Oct 2004, 9:07 pm

i quite agree, nuttdan. there have been far too many sexist and offensive posts on many of these threads, and it's about time people started to "obey" the "rules" as far as sexism and offensive posts go.

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27 Oct 2004, 9:08 pm

great idea. can we also look at posts which may be offensive to sections of the wrongplanet membership?

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27 Oct 2004, 9:18 pm

Honestly, as a woman I find its inappropriate to allow a member to display such openly sexist comments about women when many of the women have expressed their discomfort for the member's attitudes towards women in his posts. Even though this forum is run by a group of younger men, this type of behavior is undesirable and shouldn't be tolerated in front of young girls and women when this forum is supposed to be a support to us as well as males. It should not be a source of discomfort due to one male member's obsessiveness over 'hot chicks'. As a parent if I had a daughter, I would likely never allow her to post here simply due to the behavior of that one member. If this forum desires to support younger female members some as young as preteens, that is a failure to set an example for them especially the very young girls and a failure to parents that allow their children and teens access to the forum. If such things will be allowed tolerated, why not make a private forum that not all can access and only those that want permission to join be allowed to do so. But to have this sort of sexist attitude in posting in the general area where kids are, yes I'm rather disturbed by it and was expressing how I honestly felt.

I think I'm not the only female in this forum disturbed by the member's posts and feel that honestly, if our opinions are so bad, maybe that members should be reviewed as well and be requested to post with more suitable content that isn't offensive and could cause a very poor impression of men on very young females.



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27 Oct 2004, 9:19 pm

Dan, I, and the other moderaters have been discussing this issue. I agree wholehartedly with this policy. Please note that if a sexist remark isn't directly addressed towards a certain person, it may not fall under the category of a direct personal attack. It still may violate another policy, however, and we won't let people say really sexist and rude things.


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27 Oct 2004, 9:25 pm

MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote:
Honestly, as a woman I find its inappropriate to allow a member to display such openly sexist comments about women when many of the women have expressed their discomfort for the member's attitudes towards women in his posts. Even though this forum is run by a group of younger men, this type of behavior is undesirable and shouldn't be tolerated in front of young girls and women when this forum is supposed to be a support to us as well as males. It should not be a source of discomfort due to one male member's obsessiveness over 'hot chicks'. As a parent if I had a daughter, I would likely never allow her to post here simply due to the behavior of that one member. If this forum desires to support younger female members some as young as preteens, that is a failure to set an example for them especially the very young girls and a failure to parents that allow their children and teens access to the forum. If such things will be allowed tolerated, why not make a private forum that not all can access and only those that want permission to join be allowed to do so. But to have this sort of sexist attitude in posting in the general area where kids are, yes I'm rather disturbed by it and was expressing how I honestly felt.

I think I'm not the only female in this forum disturbed by the member's posts and feel that honestly, if our opinions are so bad, maybe that members should be reviewed as well and be requested to post with more suitable content that isn't offensive and could cause a very poor impression of men on very young females.


This is a viable viewpoint, and I tend to agree that some things might be too sexist.

But instead of insulting a member, which will likely not change anyone's opinion, I would say something like "your view of women is insulting to me. I really think you should reasses the way you judge a woman and think about how your current attitude is not a good way to get women. I really feel hurt by your attitudes, please don't take it personally, but I really really disagree with your views and hope you will change your mind and think about how other people will feel."

This is much better than calling someone a sexist stalker, which only serves in hurting feelings. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.


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27 Oct 2004, 9:38 pm

Yes you have valid statements too but you want to promote an environment safe for children too you can't just allow the behavior of a member to be a potential influence. Allowing someone to constantly post a sexist attitude in almost every response he makes is not promoting a safe environment for a younger membership than yourself. Honestly at the state it is, I wouldn't even want one of my sons if they were old enough to come on here and see the sexist attitude that individual displays. It is inappropriate and children pick up on that sort of behavior and run with it whether they know it's good or bad. You said in my other thread that you wanted a safe environment, allowing such behavior in a general room is a breech of that. Make another board, if people want to dwell on such a topic, encourage them to join there, make it private so children can't access it but don't leave it as it is to just allow this member to continue on his merry way. Mature content should be posted to the mature content board or one specific to maybe a more adult/sexual nature. If this is to be a family friendly board, respect the whole membership not just one individual. Don't let one hormonal young male member make about half your membership potentially uncomfortable to the point of possibly worrying about their safety with that sort of attitude that could be considered potentially dangerous. He has come on IRC with the same attitude and made me and a few other women that are on this forum uncomfortable there and even started IM'ing me...

Please take a seperate board for such content into consideration at least, it'll make things look better to parents and such to not have to worry about the content of the postings that their children see.



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27 Oct 2004, 10:11 pm

Which member is MishLuvsHer2Boys referring to? I believe in being open and honest and if she is referring to something I posted in the 'Ideal Partner' section, than I am extremely sorry I have offended her or anyone else on this site. If's that's the case then unfortunately I'll have to leave this site immediately.



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27 Oct 2004, 10:19 pm

gavrod wrote:
Which member is MishLuvsHer2Boys referring to? I believe in being open and honest and if she is referring to something I posted in the 'Ideal Partner' section, than I am extremely sorry I have offended her or anyone else on this site. If's that's the case then unfortunately I'll have to leave this site immediately.


No. I think she is referring to LetsGoBlues.


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27 Oct 2004, 10:26 pm

No Gavrod, I don't even believe I read your post so don't worry about it. I was referring to Letsgoblues and his 'hot chick' references and such in almost every post he has made to this forum.



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28 Oct 2004, 1:06 am

MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote:
No Gavrod, I don't even believe I read your post so don't worry about it. I was referring to Letsgoblues and his 'hot chick' references and such in almost every post he has made to this forum.


I'm relieved you were not referring to me! As for Letsgoblues, if he doesn't have anything positive to contribute to this site then he should be asked to leave.



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28 Oct 2004, 3:36 am

of course, we are assuming that this whole "personal attacks" thing is referring to our attempt to "hint" at letsgoblues (with humour and straight talkng) that his posts might be inappropriate, to say the least.

this shouldn't be our "job". but no-one else did it, and so we did.

i am not a child. i am one of wrongplanet's oldest members. i am not going to be influenced by sexist comments, and rush out and start behaving like that. but i feel disgusted, degraded and sickened by such comments. complaining and getting him banned has worked in a chat room - it's more immediate and no-one needs to have that intrusion - but surely it's better to try and re-educate on this forum, rather than just getting rid of him and making it someone else's problem? it might not work, but at least we should try. previous, subtle suggestions have not worked - this was an attempt to get his attention.

if there is an issue here, let's get it out in the open, and make it both explicit and specific. surely it's better that way?

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28 Oct 2004, 3:56 am

vetivert wrote:
of course, we are assuming that this whole "personal attacks" thing is referring to our attempt to "hint" at letsgoblues (with humour and straight talkng) that his posts might be inappropriate, to say the least.

this shouldn't be our "job". but no-one else did it, and so we did.

i am not a child. i am one of wrongplanet's oldest members. i am not going to be influenced by sexist comments, and rush out and start behaving like that. but i feel disgusted, degraded and sickened by such comments. complaining and getting him banned has worked in a chat room - it's more immediate and no-one needs to have that intrusion - but surely it's better to try and re-educate on this forum, rather than just getting rid of him and making it someone else's problem? it might not work, but at least we should try. previous, subtle suggestions have not worked - this was an attempt to get his attention.

if there is an issue here, let's get it out in the open, and make it both explicit and specific. surely it's better that way?

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I agree - humour is my way of dealing with such things and if this has been interpreted as a personal attack I am sorry. However if lgb had been displaying ignorant, offensive attitudes towards gays or different ethnic/religious groups it would be clear this should not be tolerated. As vetivert has pointed out we have already made several attempts to re-educate the member in question but without success.

can we draw a line under this now? :evil:

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28 Oct 2004, 5:38 am

I was, and am, offended by LetGoblues remarks, as well. At first, I was willing to ignore them, but the frequency with which he posts about these "hot chicks" is become both disruptive and lewd.

I hope that my post in the "I have ADD, maybe asperger's" thread was not percieved as a personal attack. If it was, please let me know, so that I do not do the same thing in the future.

I think something does need to be done about LetGoBlues, and while I found your remarks (vetivert, duncvis, and mish) to be humoruous at first, I became a bit irritated to see you posted them after every single one of LetGoBlues posts. This was just as disruptive as his constant remarks were (though obviously not as offensive or lewd). I don't know what your motives in taking that type of action were, but I'm not sure it was the best way to go about dealing with this issue.



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28 Oct 2004, 8:29 am

I just seriously think that we have to avoid being naive on these forums as people can easily troll on them and try to give people a bad name. I've already reason enough to be suspicious in this case. I just think everyone on the forum needs to be careful and stay safe.



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28 Oct 2004, 8:46 am

MishLuvsHer2Boys wrote:
I just seriously think that we have to avoid being naive on these forums as people can easily troll on them and try to give people a bad name. I've already reason enough to be suspicious in this case. I just think everyone on the forum needs to be careful and stay safe.


I agree with you 100%