07 Mar 2009, 11:27 pm
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
The solar cycle and the seasons are predictable to some extent, but HOW can you control something like that? Do you see what I mean by things that cannot be controlled? We cannot control the weather but we can still predict it with a high degree of accuracy.
I personally am not concerned with the preservation of social foundations because such foundations DO NOT cater to the interests of outlying individuals like me! Since I dont have much in common with other people and have some very uncommon needs, its not rational for me to subscribe to ideologies that favor the group over the individual.
I personally am not concerned with the preservation of social foundations because such foundations DO NOT cater to the interests of outlying individuals like me! Since I dont have much in common with other people and have some very uncommon needs, its not rational for me to subscribe to ideologies that favor the group over the individual.
You control the effects to a great extent by planning around them, or even learning how to act in spite of them. I mean, crops are grown regularly without regard to seasons. In any case, I was talking more about social phenomena.
Well, the issue is that just reorganizing social foundations can be problematic. In any case, I do not see rational ideologies given that mankind is just a flawed thing. No rationalization could ever make people happy or work together in an ideal manner, but I see some of the reason for your notion. It is just that a lot of people hold to ideologies because that is how they see the world as working.
The ALSO hold onto these ideologies because those ideologies make THEM happy and are in their rational self-interest. Emotions seem to be a HUGE factor in human decision-making and personal beliefs and many people assume that emotions are totally random and arbitrary but I happen to disagree. As for growing crops, how can you say that they are grown without regard to seasons when crops are plants who biological clocks are tuned to the rhythm of the seasons? But Im VERY intrigued about whether or not there are hidden variables in economics and econometrics as you suggest. Why would economies have essentially an infinite number of degrees of freedom.....
07 Mar 2009, 11:34 pm
07 Mar 2009, 11:35 pm
Haliphron wrote:
The ALSO hold onto these ideologies because those ideologies make THEM happy and are in their rational self-interest. Emotions seem to be a HUGE factor in human decision-making and personal beliefs and many people assume that emotions are totally random and arbitrary but I happen to disagree. As for growing crops, how can you say that they are grown without regard to seasons when crops are plants who biological clocks are tuned to the rhythm of the seasons? But Im VERY intrigued about whether or not there are hidden variables in economics and econometrics as you suggest. Why would economies have essentially an infinite number of degrees of freedom.....
Well, yes, but few people will just say: "I think the world works in this manner because it makes me feel better".
I am not denying that emotions are a factor in human decision making, but rarely can they be made explicit in the same manner. After all, emotions are considered epistemically problematic, as the emotions of people can contradict those of other people without much ability to reconcile these issues.
Well, honestly, most research on the sources of growth of an economy show only about half of this is from capital and labor, the other half is this black box that is often labeled "technology", which from an economics perspective could be almost anything, even something without much connection to the sciences.
08 Mar 2009, 12:42 am
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
The ALSO hold onto these ideologies because those ideologies make THEM happy and are in their rational self-interest. Emotions seem to be a HUGE factor in human decision-making and personal beliefs and many people assume that emotions are totally random and arbitrary but I happen to disagree. As for growing crops, how can you say that they are grown without regard to seasons when crops are plants who biological clocks are tuned to the rhythm of the seasons? But Im VERY intrigued about whether or not there are hidden variables in economics and econometrics as you suggest. Why would economies have essentially an infinite number of degrees of freedom.....
Well, yes, but few people will just say: "I think the world works in this manner because it makes me feel better".
I am not denying that emotions are a factor in human decision making, but rarely can they be made explicit in the same manner. After all, emotions are considered epistemically problematic, as the emotions of people can contradict those of other people without much ability to reconcile these issues.
Well, honestly, most research on the sources of growth of an economy show only about half of this is from capital and labor, the other half is this black box that is often labeled "technology", which from an economics perspective could be almost anything, even something without much connection to the sciences.
The bulk of religious beliefs about a afterlife and a superior being acting as a bulwark against chaos are all a matter of feeling good about their paradigms and with very little validation in nature.
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08 Mar 2009, 2:39 am
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
The ALSO hold onto these ideologies because those ideologies make THEM happy and are in their rational self-interest. Emotions seem to be a HUGE factor in human decision-making and personal beliefs and many people assume that emotions are totally random and arbitrary but I happen to disagree. As for growing crops, how can you say that they are grown without regard to seasons when crops are plants who biological clocks are tuned to the rhythm of the seasons? But Im VERY intrigued about whether or not there are hidden variables in economics and econometrics as you suggest. Why would economies have essentially an infinite number of degrees of freedom.....
Well, yes, but few people will just say: "I think the world works in this manner because it makes me feel better".
I am not denying that emotions are a factor in human decision making, but rarely can they be made explicit in the same manner. After all, emotions are considered epistemically problematic, as the emotions of people can contradict those of other people without much ability to reconcile these issues.
Well, honestly, most research on the sources of growth of an economy show only about half of this is from capital and labor, the other half is this black box that is often labeled "technology", which from an economics perspective could be almost anything, even something without much connection to the sciences.
Well of course people arent going to be honest about it!
And maybe they dont always consciously ratiocinate it that way. But MANY people do prefer belief systems and worldviews that give them a sense of reassurance.
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08 Mar 2009, 3:01 am
Haliphron wrote:
Well of course people arent going to be honest about it! And maybe they dont always consciously ratiocinate it that way. But MANY people do prefer belief systems and worldviews that give them a sense of reassurance.
And maybe they dont always consciously ratiocinate it that way. But MANY people do prefer belief systems and worldviews that give them a sense of reassurance.The issue is that it is difficult to say "I believe this for selfish reasons" and "I believe this because it is true". By affirming one, you seem to deny the other, unless you see the 2 as the same, in which case you have massive epistemic confusion.
08 Mar 2009, 3:16 am
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Well of course people arent going to be honest about it! And maybe they dont always consciously ratiocinate it that way. But MANY people do prefer belief systems and worldviews that give them a sense of reassurance.
And maybe they dont always consciously ratiocinate it that way. But MANY people do prefer belief systems and worldviews that give them a sense of reassurance.The issue is that it is difficult to say "I believe this for selfish reasons" and "I believe this because it is true". By affirming one, you seem to deny the other, unless you see the 2 as the same, in which case you have massive epistemic confusion.
So we bounce back to this mysterious "true" again. What is your standard?
08 Mar 2009, 12:06 pm
