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Rakkety_Tamm
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02 Jan 2006, 9:28 am

The saturday, I was out walking and this lady pulls up and stops next to me on the road in her car, she said, "Remeber, Jesus love you, merry christmas." To Which I replied, I'm sorry ma'am, but I'm not Christian. Her eyes went wide, and she asked, after spitting out the open window from her snuff, "What, Your not Christian?!? Your not one of those damned Catholic's are you?" I replyed, "No ma'am, I'm wiccan." Then she sucked in air, trying to make herself look scarey, i guess, to me, it just made her look farily funny, and she said "Your going to burn in hell, satinist." TO which i laughed and replyed, "Miss, if thats what you belieave, thats ok, but, you ain't got no right to say that to me. Christmas is over lady, yet your still give Christmas greetings. Christmas was originally, and still is, a pagan holiday called Yule, so if you would kindly leave me alone, I would be much abliged."


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02 Jan 2006, 10:15 am

Oh man. I hate it when people feel randomly compelled to preach. It's happened to me too, on a train, (this woman compulsively talking to complete strangers how Jesus made her life perfect- great, but I was not in a receptive place at that time and she had no business talking to total strangers on the train about something so personal IMO) and the two friends I was with afterward said I looked really pissed when she was talking.

I was.



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02 Jan 2006, 10:26 am

if the only people the woman likes is other christians, then there was nothing you could've said that would've prevented her from insulting you.

anyway, christians invented satan so, in my opinion, she is the satanist (of course, that works both ways- real satanists are quasi-christians).



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02 Jan 2006, 11:03 am

If I truly believed the majority of humankind was destined to eternal damnation, Id be compelled to race around like a maniac, desperately trying to warn and save everyone. Sleep would not be possible until the horrors of the mind left the body exhausted. To otherwise would, imo indicate sociopathy.

Ill say that to the next fundamentalist i see. In fact, thats my new years resolution! :D



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02 Jan 2006, 11:31 am

Keep in mind that many Christians believe that their own religion is the only one. I do not support their actions, tis but a reason for them.

And yes, they are whacko.


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02 Jan 2006, 11:43 am

Edgar Schneider gives this wonderful conception of Satanism in his book 'Living the Good Life with Autism' - basically, he says that to be a Satanist you just have to take the values of Satan and use them in your everday life - that is greed, prejudice, hate, etc . . . which means that the vast majority of fundamentalist Christians that I know really are Satanists . . .

Just for the record, not all Christians are irritating like that - I'm a Christian and I strongly respect nature as the best example of God's creation and really think it is rather ridiculous to say that all other religions are irrelevant and wrong . . . it is rather prejudicial and insulting to God to think that the world would be set up so that what happened to about 5,000 people in the Middle East 2,000 years ago would be IT - the only religion . . .
I don't believe in a literal Satan - I think it is a metaphor for people who can't get the concept that what we are basically evil - what they call Satan I would call instinct . . .



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02 Jan 2006, 1:55 pm

God, that's awesome. I wish I could have quick comebacks like that... *so envious*


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02 Jan 2006, 7:45 pm

Well, let me start off by saying that my standpoint is coming from a Christian. I don't believe it's wrong to say "Merry Christmas"... and I wouldn't get pissed off if someone said "Happy Hanukkah" to me, either. What the lady did was a bit odd and forceful. Sadly, some Christians are like that.

I have friends (both here and IRL) who are several different religions: Christian, Jewish, Mormon, atheist and agnostic. With some of them, I feel free to talk about the Bible with them, but it's not like I preach fiery hell and brimstone if they don't accept what I believe. That's their choice and it will just pull apart our frienship if I try to force anything on them- or if they do that to me.

I am more of a fundamentalist Christian, but I'm not legalistic about it or anything. Christianity means to be imitators of Christ. Jesus was not hateful or prejudice (let's face it, he ate meals with tax collectors, who were hated by everyone else during that time). If Christians really seek to imitate Christ, they won't be nearly as prejudice or hateful as a lot of "Christians" are.

Disclaimer: I don't know if this lady is really a Christian. That's between her and God. Everyone's spiritual stance is between themself and whatever Divine Authority they believe in. All I'm saying is that she wasn't acting like Jesus called for Christians to act in the Bible.


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02 Jan 2006, 10:00 pm

I agree with Namiko. Sadly, most Christians are hypocrites. It drives me insane, which is why I find it hard to even call myself a Christian.


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02 Jan 2006, 10:37 pm

I'm an athiest, but most of my family are Christians, fundamentalist to varying degrees. One one end is my dad, who believes that being a Christian means reading the Bible and trying to figure out God's word. He believes that man must find his own salvation, and while he answers any questions I have about religion, he has never told me that I need to convert. On the other end of the scale is a cousin, formerly one of my best friends, who kinda went weird. Seemingly overnight he got rid of all his secular music, all his secular games and books, and somehow destroyed his personality. Now he mostly watches TV like a bump on a log (TV doesn't count as secular because it's so fake that it doesn't count as anything, according to him), and occasionally swaggers around all high and mighty and informs me that I'm wicked.

I had bad experiences with Christians in my youth. An aunt who passed away a month or so ago, used to wait til my parents were not around and then try to bully me into going to church. Her favorite strategy was to pinch and twist my ear while hissing into it all the awful things that happened to non-Christians. Another aunt went through a phase of excluding me from family outings because I wasn't Christian - she even refused to get me presents for Christmas the year I was 11. My parents put a stop to that, fortunately.

When I was 14, I had to spend a week with the aunt who twisted my ear. She viewed it as an opportunity to reeducate me, but between my Aspergers and what I call the Middle School Rowdies, it was a wasted effort. She still managed to annoy me though. Mainly because whenever I asked a question, she would say "The Bible says that if a man asks you a question, you must answer him, but you are not a man, you are a child, so I don't have to answer you. Now shut up and do as I say.". I pointed out that according to the Bible, one becomes a man at the age of 12, so I WAS a man and she DID have to answer me. She swelled up sort of like what I imagine the topic creator described the kook doing.

I went to a Lutheran school for half a year in 9th grade. My pastor was a mixed bag - on one hand, he was an advocate of God accepting you for what is in your heart rather than rituals and ceremonies like baptism. On the other hand, he believed that the Holocaust was a warning from God that he is not to be forsaken. He also claimed that the dinosaurs all died in the 40 day flood.

The thing about Christians is that most of em are OK. Probably you pass dozens of Christians every day and you don't even notice because they're content to live and let live. It's just the crazy ones that get so much coverage in the news...



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03 Jan 2006, 8:50 am

Sounds like you had a "drive by religioning".

We never used the front door to our house too much. One time my dad wanted to replace the screen door on the outside and when he opened it up, nearly five years worth of "AWAKE!" magazines fell out.

When I was really little, religous people use to go where I live soliticing their praises to anyone who would answer the door.

My father always told me under any circumstances to never answer the door when they came around.


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03 Jan 2006, 11:28 pm

I get a Jehovah's Witness come by the house every now and then, they give away free magazines that are moderately interesting. But they all seem too happy, it's creepy.


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04 Jan 2006, 3:25 am

I love telling religious people who bug me how amoral and unreligious i am and watch it ruin their day.


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04 Jan 2006, 3:57 am

Nomaken wrote:
I love telling religious people who bug me how amoral and unreligious i am and watch it ruin their day.


Just you wait for the afterlife young man!



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04 Jan 2006, 6:46 am

eamonn wrote:
Nomaken wrote:
I love telling religious people who bug me how amoral and unreligious i am and watch it ruin their day.


Just you wait for the afterlife young man!


ok, not sure if ur being sarcastic or not, but, if your not, thats exactly the thing that ticks me off! If that is the way he chooses to live his life, and he doesn't turn all evil and stuff, (in short, lives a good life on the happy side) then his afterlife will be pleasent. We belieave that people are judged by their actions, not their beliefs, and when other people condem those who do not share a particular religous view, that ticks me off for than all the death threats I have recieved from the "deep Water Southern" baptist who also make up 90% of our FCA, and FFA.


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04 Jan 2006, 8:58 am

Rakkety_Tamm wrote:
eamonn wrote:
Nomaken wrote:
I love telling religious people who bug me how amoral and unreligious i am and watch it ruin their day.


Just you wait for the afterlife young man!


ok, not sure if ur being sarcastic or not


I sense a hint of sarcasm on eamonn's part, Rakkety.


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