If God has always existed and created the world.

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09 Apr 2009, 9:03 pm

Just what did he do before he created the world?



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09 Apr 2009, 9:19 pm

He was being bored. Most likely. ^.-



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09 Apr 2009, 9:38 pm

This comic comes to mind:
http://xkcd.com/505/



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10 Apr 2009, 2:46 am

Signs654 wrote:
Just what did he do before he created the world?

well, if time didn't exist before creation then he never had the time to do anything until after creating it.


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10 Apr 2009, 2:52 am

phil777 wrote:
He was being bored. Most likely. ^.-


Since God is omniscient and knows everything that could, would and did happen, how could he ever escape boredom?



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10 Apr 2009, 3:28 am

Finding something entertaining to do like creating a universe? <.<



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10 Apr 2009, 3:36 am

phil777 wrote:
Finding something entertaining to do like creating a universe? <.<


But entertainment is heavily dependent upon delight in the unexpected and novel.



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10 Apr 2009, 3:56 am

Sand wrote:
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Finding something entertaining to do like creating a universe? <.<


But entertainment is heavily dependent upon delight in the unexpected and novel.


Which argues against the omniscience of a theoretical god.


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10 Apr 2009, 4:01 am

Fuzzy wrote:
Sand wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Finding something entertaining to do like creating a universe? <.<


But entertainment is heavily dependent upon delight in the unexpected and novel.


Which argues against the omniscience of a theoretical god.


And considering the many mistakes he made with Adam and company omniscience does seem unlikely unless God conforms to Einstein's observation :Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Considering the state of the world, an insane God makes reasonable sense.



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10 Apr 2009, 5:31 am

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Just what did he do before he created the world?


The question presumes the existence of a creator agent, and there is not an iota of empirical evidence to support this presumption. In fact the more we know of the physical world, the more absurd this presumption appears.

One should not presume the existence of anything when there is no evidence to support that existence.

If you want to believe in sky daddies, ghosts, spirits and all sorts of non-material bojums, by all means do. Just do not pretend your believes and hopes are facts.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. No one is entitled to his own facts.

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10 Apr 2009, 6:18 am

Why do people associate god as having a gender? All living things die, therefore god is not a living thing. If god is not a living thing, then what is god?

Why do people look UP? For all we know, "heaven" could be down where it's nice and warm, whereas in space, there is nothing but the cold.

I will never acknowledge god has the appearance of a "man" as this is highly plausible anyway



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10 Apr 2009, 6:24 am

ruveyn wrote:
Signs654 wrote:
Just what did he do before he created the world?


The question presumes the existence of a creator agent, and there is not an iota of empirical evidence to support this presumption. In fact the more we know of the physical world, the more absurd this presumption appears.

One should not presume the existence of anything when there is no evidence to support that existence.

If you want to believe in sky daddies, ghosts, spirits and all sorts of non-material bojums, by all means do. Just do not pretend your believes and hopes are facts.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. No one is entitled to his own facts.

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Yes yes. But nobody in the thread has made that claim. Note the first word of the thread title. An amusement. A mental exercise.

It perhaps speaks of the possible experience of those born deaf and blind. Such a discussion of imaginary things is vital to the expansion of the human mind, to our knowledge base, our vocabulary.

Dont believe me?

You used a word, bojum, which perfectly fits what I am talking about. Do you even know the origin of that word? It comes from a nonsense poem about an imaginary invisible monster. It comes from fiction: Lewis Carroll's "The hunting of the snark". The Boojum might not even exist in the poem, as it could be a macguffin to cover up a murder.

And yet it is the writing, reading and discussion of that fiction that allows you to colorfully ridicule someones post. Your vocabulary owes a debt of gratitude to the fact that someone wanted to think about nonsense things.


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10 Apr 2009, 12:41 pm

ruveyn wrote:
One should not presume the existence of anything when there is no evidence to support that existence.

If everyone followed that, there will be no christians at all, but then, a thing called freedom of religion, comes to mind.

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Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. No one is entitled to his own facts.

well, it happens that beliefs and opinions are, very often, presented as facts.


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10 Apr 2009, 2:28 pm

This universe is merely an experiment in one of God's petre dishes. He has other experiments.

I'll let that sink in for a moment.


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10 Apr 2009, 2:52 pm

kxmode wrote:
This universe is merely an experiment in one of God's petre dishes. He has other experiments.

I'll let that sink in for a moment.


Every era has its concepts. God was originally a contentious despot. Now He's a scientist.



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10 Apr 2009, 2:54 pm

Sand wrote:
kxmode wrote:
This universe is merely an experiment in one of God's petre dishes. He has other experiments.

I'll let that sink in for a moment.


Every era has its concepts. God was originally a contentious despot. Now He's a scientist.


God forever geometrizes --- Plato.

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