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05 May 2009, 6:15 pm

* Being more vulnerable to abuse
* Having bad social skills
* Anything else that is negative


Why are those anti-cure people so aggressive?

For me, it kind of feels like a punishment from God, per se, considering this condition he gave me makes me more vulnerable to abuse. I am 17 and haven't been abused in person before because of my ASD, I am just a potential target. Why can't these anti-cure people just see the light for once? I feel a little bit like venting about God, but I wont.



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05 May 2009, 6:56 pm

I am an "anti-cure" autistic savant. But I do not feel I am that aggressive with it---but I am one of the big "anti-cure" autistics on the WrongPlanet---so I will tell you my reasoning.

How are my social skills? Not good---but I do "act" out socializing when I need to---and it does wear me out. I am in bed right now and it is still daylight out---I am tired. I have had too many social encounters today.

How are my sensory issues? Not good---bright lights are painful, loud noises are painful, repetitive noises are painful, I don't like to be touched.

How do I read people? Well, I guess I don't read them very well. I also don't get a lot of jokes. I have a tendency to take things literally.

Etc.

As you can see---I have those challenges too. So why am I anti-cure?

Because I love being autistic. You see, for me, there are far greater positives with my autism. Because of my autism I can play whatever musical instrument I want to without instruction/lessons, and in very little time. Because of my autism I can write stories involving my interests. INTERESTS!! ! Wow!! ! Talk about fun. I can live in my interests. I am intensely interested in roller coasters/amusement parks (historical ones), architecture---house plans, and music. I have other interests too like magic tricks, caves, astronomy (especially comets). I also love to collect things associated with interests. My house is like a museum. I have fun.

So, now I get to weigh the two sides. Get rid of the challenges and lose my positives, or keep my challenges and keep my positives. Easy for me---I will keep my challenges and keep my positives. I cannot imagine life without my music skills and interests. Sorry---but I choose to remain autistic.

My advice---find the gift in your autism. Unwrap that gift and nurture it. Accept it. And---it just may become a dear friend---and it will become one of your gifts in life.

You know what autism is to the world? A great mystery. People are mystified by it. Be happy with being a mystery. It can be fun.


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05 May 2009, 6:59 pm

instead of venting against god try overcoming your traits to glorify him instead?

sure we all have shortcomings but unless you are totally helpless there is no reason to surrender to them.

besides whenever to blame god you make the devil laugh and the baby jesus cry! :wink:



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05 May 2009, 7:04 pm

You dont wanna know what I think about God given me AS, trust me. :lol:



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05 May 2009, 7:08 pm

You know, I've been mad at God for a long time too, and recently at that. However, I'm coming to the point where I see it more as a thorn in the side than a punishment. For anyone who doesn't know, a thorn in the side is actually a reference to something that keeps you back and keeps you humble just because, without it, you are just too awesome.


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06 May 2009, 12:27 am

We've all been there dude, being angry about being "made" this way. But we need to be proud of what we are. No, we're not the cookie cutter all American blond blue eyed stereotype of perfection. We don't have problems, just differences.

LOTS of people are vulnerable to abuse. 1 in 4 women are in abusive relationships. So...that means nobody should be a woman, since women are more prone to abuse?

Be proud of who you are and what you are. You don't need to be cured, just see yourself differently!! !!



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06 May 2009, 12:43 am

Being fat makes people prone to be abused, being too intelligent even gets people teased...most people have "something" that lines them up as being potentially abused by someone who has nothing better to do with themselves and has their own self-esteem issues.

The difference is, many with AS are unable to "defend" themselves adequately...however the mousy girl, or stuttering boy may also be unable to stand up for themselves.

They may not have the self-esteem or communication skills either, so considering AS anymore of a stumbling block in that sense to any other life stumbling block is not productive in any sense.

People are "made" whatever way they are...AS is just one more of God's mean-spirited jokes in my book. LOL

As for the guy who feels he would lose his interests and talents by being "cured"...I am not an Aspie and am very talented in many avenues, autism isn't a golden ticket to having talent or interests.

If anything it seems to limit them a bit more at times, too much preoccupation and obsession can be a hindrance to seeking out a more balanced you.

I truly believe that an ability to seek out and enjoy "everything in moderation" makes someone more well-rounded and content on a whole.

...but don't get me wrong, I am NP and still have one hell of a time finding that balance within my life.



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06 May 2009, 1:57 am

I realize now that a lot of the so-called problems I 'think' I have, or things I think i'm incapable of, are just symptoms of how I am.

At the same time, I (in my state) can't really comprehend what a cure would be. Because to me, this is me.

When I am with/around other people, I can tell that I actually have a role in the situation, but in my head I am just winging it, playing it all by ear.

Being around people more helps me understand what exactly they see, how the world looks when you're normal.

I find it really strange, I can connect, and have even similar spontaneous ideas as the NTs I am around, but I just feel disconnected. It is almost as if a part of my mind is actually with my body, in the "real world" behaving as an NT, but my conciousness is just trapped in some sort of asperger's funk.



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06 May 2009, 9:11 am

The reason why alot of people are anti-cure is because we also have incredible interests and talents. Basically, I read something on NLD, but really could also be applied with AS and most other things on the atypical and higher functioning part of the spectrum.
It was basically this, the social and other deficits lead to overlearning in areas which are focused on ones assets, which leads to phoneominal achievement that would not have otherwise occured had these deficits had not existed.

I am not that good at theory of mind. And while everything in my life that is negative about my life can be related to being on the spectrum, at the same time everything in my life that is positive, and extroidinary I can relate to being on the spectrum. I have NT friends who are musicians who struggle to put together music and record albums. On the other hand I recorded several in a year. Everyone has streagths, everyone has weakness, but we lie on the extreme in both. Why change who we are? Why get cured??? When the essence of who we are, our focus, our thirst for knowledge, our talents, can lead to wonderful and extroidinary things. You take away the downside, the upside never truely develops.



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06 May 2009, 9:27 am

I don't really get this topic?

I do not refuse to be associated with those two traits as they're totally true because I'm autistic. Wouldn't be true if I weren't autistic.

But I don't understand what that#s got to do with anti-cure? Someone give me a hint?


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06 May 2009, 9:35 am

glider18 wrote:
I am an "anti-cure" autistic savant. But I do not feel I am that aggressive with it---but I am one of the big "anti-cure" autistics on the WrongPlanet---so I will tell you my reasoning.

How are my social skills? Not good---but I do "act" out socializing when I need to---and it does wear me out. I am in bed right now and it is still daylight out---I am tired. I have had too many social encounters today.

How are my sensory issues? Not good---bright lights are painful, loud noises are painful, repetitive noises are painful, I don't like to be touched.

How do I read people? Well, I guess I don't read them very well. I also don't get a lot of jokes. I have a tendency to take things literally.

Etc.

As you can see---I have those challenges too. So why am I anti-cure?

Because I love being autistic. You see, for me, there are far greater positives with my autism. Because of my autism I can play whatever musical instrument I want to without instruction/lessons, and in very little time. Because of my autism I can write stories involving my interests. INTERESTS!! ! Wow!! ! Talk about fun. I can live in my interests. I am intensely interested in roller coasters/amusement parks (historical ones), architecture---house plans, and music. I have other interests too like magic tricks, caves, astronomy (especially comets). I also love to collect things associated with interests. My house is like a museum. I have fun.

So, now I get to weigh the two sides. Get rid of the challenges and lose my positives, or keep my challenges and keep my positives. Easy for me---I will keep my challenges and keep my positives. I cannot imagine life without my music skills and interests. Sorry---but I choose to remain autistic.

My advice---find the gift in your autism. Unwrap that gift and nurture it. Accept it. And---it just may become a dear friend---and it will become one of your gifts in life.

You know what autism is to the world? A great mystery. People are mystified by it. Be happy with being a mystery. It can be fun.


what you wrote is truly amazing...........i really want to personally thank you for one of the greatest inspirational things i ever read


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06 May 2009, 10:00 am

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People are "made" whatever way they are...AS is just one more of God's mean-spirited jokes in my book. LOL

As for the guy who feels he would lose his interests and talents by being "cured"...I am not an Aspie and am very talented in many avenues, autism isn't a golden ticket to having talent or interests.

If anything it seems to limit them a bit more at times, too much preoccupation and obsession can be a hindrance to seeking out a more balanced you.

I truly believe that an ability to seek out and enjoy "everything in moderation" makes someone more well-rounded and content on a whole.

...but don't get me wrong, I am NP and still have one hell of a time finding that balance within my life.


The guy you are referring to is me, glider18. I am an autistic savant. My musical ability and memorization skills in my areas of interest did not come by the same way as yours did. Mine came from autism. Without autism, I would not be where I am today musically, etc. I did not say I had a "golden ticket" to talent. I do not understand why I am able to play any musical instrument I become fascinated with in little time and without any training/lessons. I do not understand why when I was in school that I had memorized the statistics (year of build, designer, builder, height, length, etc.) of every roller coaster in the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It just happened. So my way of doing these things is a result of autism---it is different. I play music professionally. I am probably the only autistic musician in our small musician's union group where I live. The other members in our union were mostly trained in college or in private lessons on their instruments. The instruments I mainly play today---I did not receive any training. As I said, it just happens.

I am not hindered by my narrow interests in the way you seem to be implying. I have been a school teacher for 21 years (I am a gifted intervention specialist), I am a church organist, I have been happily married for 19 years, and my wife and I have two sons. I do not have a social life like the NT population normally does---but that is not a hindrance to me because I do not seek out a social life. I am content and my family loves me.

I don't seek out interests in just moderation---I research research research until it's researched out. And I am plenty content with myself. If it weren't for this type of research---where would the world be?

And your opinion of AS as a joke from God---that isn't how it is in my book. I am a Christian and I thank God for making me autistic. I conduct a music ministry---and I openly give praise to God for my gift of autism. Yes---it throws people a bit to say that, but I explain that autism is a gift that needs to be unwrapped, accepted, and enjoyed---then it can become a remarkable gift.

I have plenty of so-called challenges in my life---but I tend to focus on the positives. That is why I am happy with myself. You have your opinion on autism, and I have mine. The only difference between our background on these statements on autism is that I am autistic.


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06 May 2009, 10:02 am

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glider18 wrote:
I am an "anti-cure" autistic savant. But I do not feel I am that aggressive with it---but I am one of the big "anti-cure" autistics on the WrongPlanet---so I will tell you my reasoning.

How are my social skills? Not good---but I do "act" out socializing when I need to---and it does wear me out. I am in bed right now and it is still daylight out---I am tired. I have had too many social encounters today.

How are my sensory issues? Not good---bright lights are painful, loud noises are painful, repetitive noises are painful, I don't like to be touched.

How do I read people? Well, I guess I don't read them very well. I also don't get a lot of jokes. I have a tendency to take things literally.

Etc.

As you can see---I have those challenges too. So why am I anti-cure?

Because I love being autistic. You see, for me, there are far greater positives with my autism. Because of my autism I can play whatever musical instrument I want to without instruction/lessons, and in very little time. Because of my autism I can write stories involving my interests. INTERESTS!! ! Wow!! ! Talk about fun. I can live in my interests. I am intensely interested in roller coasters/amusement parks (historical ones), architecture---house plans, and music. I have other interests too like magic tricks, caves, astronomy (especially comets). I also love to collect things associated with interests. My house is like a museum. I have fun.

So, now I get to weigh the two sides. Get rid of the challenges and lose my positives, or keep my challenges and keep my positives. Easy for me---I will keep my challenges and keep my positives. I cannot imagine life without my music skills and interests. Sorry---but I choose to remain autistic.

My advice---find the gift in your autism. Unwrap that gift and nurture it. Accept it. And---it just may become a dear friend---and it will become one of your gifts in life.

You know what autism is to the world? A great mystery. People are mystified by it. Be happy with being a mystery. It can be fun.


what you wrote is truly amazing...........i really want to personally thank you for one of the greatest inspirational things i ever read


Thank you so much for that posting. I don't know what to say except thanks, and you are welcome. I would love to communicate with you anytime.


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06 May 2009, 10:37 am

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I refuse to be associated with all these traits...


i could not care less what other minds think or "associate" with. i am not doing anything illegal, and if anyone tries to stop me, then they are doing something illegal.

i could not care less what any other brain thinks about my existence. they are not connected to me. there is no tangible connection between my brain and another persons, so it is silly to be sucked into what they "determine" about you.

as long as i am allowed to be, i will be as i please.



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06 May 2009, 2:47 pm

I wasn't speaking of any positive traits. I only refuse to be associated with the negatives.



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06 May 2009, 3:35 pm

The question nobody ever seems to ask: Rather than look for a 'cure' for whatever it is that makes people prone to becoming the victims of bullying...why aren't we looking for a cure for bullies?


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